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[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Phoenix Rising

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession GOTM' started by AlanH, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    I don't think Toku had hammers for settler. Are you 2 playing on?
     
  2. Fippy

    Fippy Micro Junkie Queen

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    Nope lol, zzzZZZzzz for me too nites.
     
  3. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    Wise!
     
  4. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    ha..there ya'll are...still stuck on last page

    Nitey! ;)
     
  5. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    So who is up next?
     
  6. elitetroops

    elitetroops Chieftain

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    I vote lymond! Next week I should hopefully have more time.

    So that sword stack is about to attack French? Sorry, kind of hard to follow the discussion... If/when we decide to attack Germany, we should be aware that he could in theory bribe Julius on us, then we have the praet to deal with.

    Anyway, looking very good! Well done all!
     
  7. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    Come on Lymond let's show the world we can take down the world.
     
  8. elitetroops

    elitetroops Chieftain

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    I'm not sure how to evaluate the state of our economy here. Normally at this stage the slider would be largely fueled by conquest gold. It seems we don't get very much of that, as this is so early in the game and all cities are quite new, and we are also running out of cities to capture. Our workers should hopefully improve the situation fairly quickly...

    Fur Valley is building wealth. With stone coming online, I think it would be better to set up some 2 pop or maybe 3 pop whip that overflows into mids. Library? It has pretty good food, could also run scientists if we want to.

    On the other hand, what do we think about failgolding? The way we are beating up the AI, they won't be building any wonders at all anytime soon. Do we plan to build mids ourselves? Or are we more likely to build Kremlin?
     
  9. Fippy

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    DeG Sword stack could wait 1t, so bomber can attack 2x.
    With only 3 units (CR thou), might be wiser?

    Yup wealth was for 1t, i like Kremlin built by us.
    Not sure about Pyras, certainly also useful.
    Wealth building should be avoided now for sure, in favor of wonders.

    Fur Valley plan was settler whip at size 4, Toku gift city.
    We will also like a settler towards Moscow i think, some nice resis between.
    Possible location with current info
    Spoiler :
     

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  10. Gumbolt

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    We would have to complete the mids as the Ai are soooo slow here. Big investment that assume we will run lots of scientists. Useful for rep. 1 turn anarchy or scientist for revolution? In theory we could run Shanghai as a GP farm too?
    8 forest chops? vs 4CKN or 6 swords. Or slow build/of from whips.
    I am hoping one of the Ai here will build GLH.

    We will have gems/gold soon? Take many turns to get any of the gold resources worked. We could also grab 2xdyes. Needs calendar and settler.

    7+x2C trade route if we capture Tokyo too.

    Yeah all these gains are marginal. One of the winning conditions is also techs from each era. So we will need science here sooner or later or points in other areas. So far only 1 wonder built. With SP our new cities are not costing a great deal. So later on building wonders could be quick if we have 20-30 cities.

    Cottage wise. We currently have none. They will take a while to develop. So far none of the Ai have built a cottage either that we have seen. They are 15-20 turns behind their usual game play as they have no workers at the start. Look what Russia did with their workers? Same for Germans building a road across the map.

    Overall we can't rely on the Ai here. Or cottages as they could come too late. Scientists would be nice if an Ai would build the mids.
     
  11. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    That’s :cooool: but I’m outta commission this evening. Not home for several hours
     
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  12. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    I could play tonight if we truly wanted to play? Or have a night off?

    Shanghai might whip a wall. I suspect they are preparing for a settler.

    We have the gold to road.
    Plus maybe start a cottage for the capital with oasis worker.

    I assume a bomber from istanbul can reach Moscow. Otherwise we need that other city.
    Chariots should likely head west. Plus the mini stack too.

    We have a lot of planning still to do. Especially for Toku/Moscow and tsing.
     
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  13. Fippy

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    I would suggest Chariots under Mongolia 2x SE, they are mobile and can help with Biz as needed (or maybe even DeG if all goes wrong there).
    Swords & Chokos are slower so we moved them west, but mounted can be where we fight soon.

    Chariot above gold city (worker stealer) should follow the road and look for Stalin units, so our cow workers are protected a bit.

    Should be fine for this turn and probably another if you play Gumbo, they are not super busy.
     
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  14. Gumbolt

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    I considered towards French but but just assumed they would take too long. Could be useful for Germans.

    Chariots using roads could attack Tsing in 2 turns.

    Okay let's see how we do.
    So swords/Choko west.
    Chariots 2x SEx2.
    Worker to gold.
    Oasis worker 1S and cottage?
    Are we whipping Beijing for 2 pop?
    Also decision on galley whip. Hold a turn for more OF?
    I think bomber will be busy for a bit. New units = more costs.
    Fur valley to mids once stone hooked up? hmmm.

    85% is not a certainty. Hmmm. Assuming no whipped walls. He is bound to whip at least 1 unit or building. Are we sure about not attacking Tsing first? Or do we just throw the swords at Shanghai?

    Have you tested galley outside city during war? Does he switch to galley? I figure he is building archer for settler escort.

    Downside to Tsing is roaming archer. Albeit I think we have a much better chance of taking it. Plus hopefully a ckn for French city.

    Germans have 40H in something. Guessing settler given road. 2 pop whip soon?

    Yes Tsing attack is much more credible.

    We should then also be worker stealing his worker? Hammers into chariot in Cow fields for safety?

    Actually his archer is marking spot for the new city? mad?

    In which case galley should head back for Tokyo and maybe GP farm switch to CKN.
     
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  15. Fippy

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    I tested DeG attack, difference between 2 bomber attacks or 1 is 85% vs 64% odds for our first Sword against Longbow.

    Good idea on Tsing first :)
    Chariots can attack in 2t, so we should wait with Swords this turn and move in next, with chariots being ready. 5 units and 2 bomber attacks should be good.

    We can see what Biz and DeG do in between turns, maybe change plans if DeG does something silly like moving an Archer out.
    Did not test galley, impossible imo.

    Gold city area, we should move the chariot first along road.
    If clear, captured worker can help on cows and Oasis worker move on gold.

    Okay.
    Keep galley in place this tun, we would like knowing if something changes in Shanghai.

    City micro..i still dislike whipping Bejing, chop can finish Choko next turn.
    FV on Kremlin imo.
    We may as well whip GP farm galley now, 1 is not enuf imo. Barb galleys are already in game on late starts too and Toku has one, 2 galleys are good. We also ideally transport 4 units into Tokyo.

    Yep agree on mini stack 1sw.
    Chariot in Mongolia 1sw too looks good.

    Spy points on Church for 1t?
    We can then see his research again, and annoyed would be fixable by tech gift.

    Hmm 0% science for another turn should be good, we have high costs.
    No need for tech decision too this way.

    How does GP farm look after whip, when working both food and 1 scientist? :)
    Oki, should be green for next turn?
     
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  16. Gumbolt

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    Shall i do those moves now? (Workers/chariots.)

    Okay moving chariot along road. Nothing in view so far. He may have no units. Will move workers as planned.
    Chariot/workers moved.

    Will move other chariots 2SE. What about 3rd Chariot?
    Swords/CKN west. 1SW would protect against his archer and still be enroute.

    Beijing to work stone. FV on kremlin. We can hold off on whip.

    That should be all the unit moves.

    Science 100%? Or hold taxes at 100%!
    Beijing is on stone. Any other city micro?

    No issue with EP on Churchy.

    Let me whip it first. ;) 5/5 happiness cap. 1 scientist. Looks safe. Growth in 2 turns. We can always turn off growth or run 2nd scientist till gold/gems ready.

    Sorry took a few mins away back now.

    Nothing I can think of. Lemme look quickly.

    Green to go I think!

    Ending turn.
     
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  17. Gumbolt

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    Tsingtao grew. Could be building galley?

    Stone worker decisions? Ivory could be good? Do we want a road west too?
    English 30T IW.
     
  18. Fippy

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    Looks like we can forget Churchy for any teching.

    Green for DoW on Biz, bomber attack should show us where his Archer went.

    Not much we can do there i guess cept building an Axe this turn, at least an unit that would be a bit useful. Chariot not secure.
    Stalin takes cease fire.

    Yup whips are 33h for us.

    Cow road not really useful at gold city, let's think about something else.
    We could put 1t cottage 1se of gold city, it's missing commerce but otherwise 3f tile.

    Cease fire with Stalin should be better yup, we are not sure on that worker and him building units cannot be good.

    Sword can move into Mongolia, worker hmm..
    okay agree with roading 1sw.
    Actually 1w might be better, forest tile. I would say no danger of barbs, we saw none with bomber.

    Good to know, so those tiles are rather useless..worker was not in great posi anyways.

    New page
     
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  19. Gumbolt

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    Back! Will dow now. His archer is a small risk.

    We need a unit in cow field next turn as archer could use roads to our borders.

    Pends what his archer does.

    Uploaded.

    EP back to Toku I guess.

    3H into axe is whippable? I guess 10% with SP?

    Sword/CKN mini stack 1W.
    3xsword towards Tsing to attack.

    Russians would take peace but still a chance on the worker? Hmmm. Ceasefire stops him unit building.

    Worker on cow road 1 turn. Chop? Cottage 1SE for 1 turn?

    Yep only useful action without losing a turn. So cottage it is and cancel.

    Chariot to the gold tile. Keep it heading west. SW for sword too. Timing not great as sheep could be worked in 2 turns.

    Doh! Worker can't cottage that tile. :( Wasted move. :(

    Mongolia needs trade routes. So Worker 1Sw and it can road till border pop. Are we sure of no barbs for sheep road? Not seen any to date so should be safe.
     
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    I already roaded sheep. barbs would need animals. Not seen one all game.

    Okay will pause before making more mistakes.

    Few decisions still to make here.
     
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