[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Xteam

[Cactus Pete]

RL intervened, and I won't be able to play until later tomorrow, so more feedback could be useful.

 

[Frederiksberg]

99% sure that Churchill has Rifling as There was no redcoat anywhere to see during the opening scouting. The Janissary and Praetorian were clearly gifted and probably to hint that the techs were also gifted. (Gunpowder and IW). We already know that Toku has CS which is one of the techs leading to Samurais. Panzers can't be built without oil. Anyway this is all speculation.

Attacking from SW of cow is not slower than attacking from the north (takes two turns to pass through Mumbai meaning that the attack takes place in 3 turns. Attacking from north we also spend two turns getting close to Mumbai and the attack happens in the 3rd turn. The important difference is that by attacking from south we are flexible regarding how many bombing runs to perform. It may be important to be able to attack two turns after declaring war because if Mumbai is not building a redcoat it cannot dry whip (whip without putting hammers into) a redcoat at size 4 so it would take two turns to build. Thus we should have time to do a bombing run + move HA to bait. If the bait is taken our priority is probably to take Mumbai and prevent further redcoats from appearing. It's a little tricky if we want to avoid splitting our stacks. Maybe staging 2W of Mumbai is better. Trailing units can be teleported by closing borders before attack i.e. a unit 1W of Mumbai is moved by closing borders with movement intact.

Quite hard to plan this attack in advance. It may very well come down to reacting to what the AI does. We could hope that Mumbai is building worker or settler and thus not growing to size 4 for a while. That would make it perfectly safe to do one bombing attack and two air strikes which is probably preferable.

Perhaps we should put the WB on queue in Guangzhou and whip a HA ASAP.

 

[Cactus Pete]

Quite hard to plan this attack in advance. It may very well come down to reacting to what the AI does. Yes, anticipating an interesting turn set. We could hope that Mumbai is building worker or settler and thus not growing to size 4 for a while. That would make it perfectly safe to do one bombing attack and two air strikes which is probably preferable. Another possibility is that he will whip archers -- certainly if we can attack while he's at pop 3.

Perhaps we should put the WB on queue in Guangzhou and whip a HA ASAP.

Won't work for a two-pop whip, but will try to maximize available attack units.

Playing in about 5 hours. Playing now . . .

["We could use the fur in Manchou soon." That's my intention.

 

[Frederiksberg]

Won't work for a two-pop whip, but will try to maximize available attack units.

Playing in about 5 hours.

That's also what I meant. Build one turn and whip.

Good luck

 

[Cactus Pete]

REPORT T36-39 -- Attack Prep

T36: Make build adjustments and advance toward Mumbai
IBT: Mumbai grows to size 4, so judge a preemptive attack unlikely to succeed
T37: Infiltrate Ts (Germans 8 turns from Alpha); advance on Mumbai; capture one Russian wkr west of Mongolia and another heading for the horses
IBT: Scout produced in Mumbai; HK now pop 2
T38: Continue to advance forces
IBT: Another scout produced in Mumbai [Why not a settler?]
T39: Note Tokyo is now defended by 4 archers and a longbow, plus a galley is now at port

Planning to bait and bombard next turn, having removed all other units out of range of capital.

Will play some more in about 3 hours, but here is the save if anyone is curious or wishes to give feedback:

.http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Xteam_SG025_BC0650_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

 

[leif erikson]

Setup looks good.

Best of luck.

 

[Cactus Pete]

A little luck will no doubt be helpful.

Playing. . .

 

[Cactus Pete]

REPORT: Turns 40-42 -- Piece o' Cake

IBT: JC adopts HRule
T40: DOW, bait, and bombard
IBT: Redcoat takes bait; Mumbai builds a worker and is now pop 3 [Never overestimate the AI]; JC founds Cumae
T41: Lose a second HA killing the redct and advance on Mumbai; HA spots worker in Moscow but no road or mine on iron; sword confronts roaming Russian archer
IBT: Complete Kremlin [Exactly what does "-33% hurry production cost" mean?]; France cancels Peace Treaty
T42: Take Mumbai without further losses and captured two needed workers (leif's test map made it a piece of cake, and some luck kept our losses to a minimum); queued pavilion to fight NY culture; sword kills the Russian archer; note that T of Artemis has been built in Chongqing; GG born in Gang

I will bring Gspy back to America soon.

SAVE: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Xteam_SG025_BC0575_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

LOG:

Spoiler :

Turn 89, 650 BC: The borders of Shanghai have expanded!
Turn 89, 650 BC: You have trained a Horse Archer in Shanghai. Work has now begun on a Granary.
Turn 89, 650 BC: Julius Caesar adopts Hereditary Rule!

Turn 90, 625 BC: Yan'an has grown to size 5.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Yan'an can hurry Stable for 2⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 44 turns.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Guangzhou has grown to size 5.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Guangzhou has become unhappy.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Guangzhou can hurry Horse Archer for 2⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 42 turns.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Beijing has grown to size 5.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Manchou has grown to size 6.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Manchou has become unhappy.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Shanghai can hurry Granary for 2⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 90, 625 BC: You are the worst enemy of De Gaulle, Tokugawa, Stalin.
Turn 90, 625 BC: De Gaulle is the worst enemy of Churchill, Roosevelt, Bismarck.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Roosevelt is the worst enemy of Mehmed II.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Stalin
Turn 90, 625 BC: Guangzhou will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Shanghai will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Deal Canceled: Open Borders to Churchill for Open Borders
Turn 90, 625 BC: You have declared war on Churchill!
Turn 90, 625 BC: Churchill refuses to talk.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Your Bomber has reduced the defenses of Mumbai to 4%!
Turn 90, 625 BC: You have trained a Horse Archer in Yan'an. Work has now begun on a Stable.
Turn 90, 625 BC: You have trained a Horse Archer in Beijing. Work has now begun on The Kremlin.
Turn 90, 625 BC: You have trained a Horse Archer in Manchou. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 90, 625 BC: Churchill's Redcoat (14.00) vs SGOTM25's Horse Archer 4 (Beijing) (5.71)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Churchill's Redcoat is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Churchill's Redcoat is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 4 (Beijing) is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 4 (Beijing) is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 4 (Beijing) is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 4 (Beijing) is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Churchill's Redcoat has defeated SGOTM25's Horse Archer 4 (Beijing)!
Turn 90, 625 BC: While defending, your Horse Archer 4 (Beijing) was destroyed by a English Redcoat!
Turn 90, 625 BC: Julius Caesar has founded Cumae in a distant land.

Turn 91, 600 BC: Guangzhou has grown to size 6.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Manchou has become happy.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Shanghai has grown to size 6.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Shanghai can hurry Horse Archer for 2⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 91, 600 BC: You are the worst enemy of Churchill.
Turn 91, 600 BC: The borders of Guangzhou are about to expand.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Your Bomber has attacked an enemy Redcoat! (-24% Damage)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 3 (Beijing) (7.20) vs Churchill's Redcoat (8.75)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Combat Odds: 39.6%
Turn 91, 600 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 91, 600 BC: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 3 (Beijing) is hit for 26 (74/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Churchill's Redcoat is hit for 14 (36/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Churchill's Redcoat is hit for 14 (22/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 3 (Beijing) is hit for 26 (48/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Churchill's Redcoat is hit for 14 (8/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 3 (Beijing) is hit for 26 (22/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 3 (Beijing) is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Churchill's Redcoat has defeated SGOTM25's Horse Archer 3 (Beijing)!
Turn 91, 600 BC: Your Horse Archer 3 (Beijing) has died trying to attack a Redcoat!
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Chariot 2 (Beijing) (4.40) vs Churchill's Redcoat (1.40)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Combat Odds: 99.5%
Turn 91, 600 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 91, 600 BC: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Chariot 2 (Beijing) is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: Churchill's Redcoat is hit for 13 (0/100HP)
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25's Chariot 2 (Beijing) has defeated Churchill's Redcoat!
Turn 91, 600 BC: Your Chariot 2 (Beijing) has destroyed a Redcoat!
Turn 91, 600 BC: Yan'an will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Guangzhou will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Manchou will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Deal Canceled: Peace Treaty (10 Turns) to De Gaulle for Peace Treaty (10 Turns)
Turn 91, 600 BC: The borders of Guangzhou have expanded!
Turn 91, 600 BC: SGOTM25 has completed The Kremlin!
Turn 91, 600 BC: You have constructed The Kremlin in Beijing. Work has now begun on a Pavilion.
Turn 91, 600 BC: You have trained a Horse Archer in Shanghai. Work has now begun on a Granary.
Turn 91, 600 BC: Ferdinand de Lesseps (Great Engineer) has been born in Tsingtao (Bismarck)!

Turn 92, 575 BC: Yan'an has grown to size 4.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Yan'an can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 45ℤ overflow, 2ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 52 turns.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Guangzhou has grown to size 7.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Guangzhou will become happy on the next turn.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Guangzhou can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 40 turns.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Beijing can hurry Pavilion for 1⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 32 turns.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Manchou has grown to size 5.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Manchou can hurry Barracks for 1⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 24 turns.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Shanghai has become happy.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Shanghai can hurry Granary for 1⇴ with 2ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 26 turns.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Mongolia can hurry Pavilion for 1⇴ with 8ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Your Bomber has attacked an enemy Longbowman! (-36% Damage)
Turn 92, 575 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 7 (Yan'an) (6.60) vs Churchill's Longbowman (6.72)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Combat Odds: 62.8%
Turn 92, 575 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 92, 575 BC: (Plot Defense: +5%)
Turn 92, 575 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 92, 575 BC: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Churchill's Longbowman is hit for 17 (47/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Churchill's Longbowman is hit for 17 (30/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Churchill's Longbowman is hit for 17 (13/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Churchill's Longbowman is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 7 (Yan'an) has defeated Churchill's Longbowman!
Turn 92, 575 BC: Your Horse Archer 7 (Yan'an) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 92, 575 BC: You have captured a Worker
Turn 92, 575 BC: You have captured a Worker
Turn 92, 575 BC: You have captured Mumbai!!!
Turn 92, 575 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Shanghai.
Turn 92, 575 BC: SGOTM25's Swordsman 3 (Yan'an) (6.60) vs Stalin's Archer (3.30)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Combat Odds: 98.7%
Turn 92, 575 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 92, 575 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: SGOTM25's Swordsman 3 (Yan'an) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 92, 575 BC: SGOTM25's Swordsman 3 (Yan'an) has defeated Stalin's Archer!
Turn 92, 575 BC: Francisco Pizarro (Great General) has been born in Guangzhou (SGOTM25)!
Turn 92, 575 BC: Your Swordsman 3 (Yan'an) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 92, 575 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Mongolia.

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I will have time to continue play in about 14 hours, unless someone wants to take over. Would appreciate thoughts on the following:

What to do with GG?
How to take advantage of the Kremlin.
City builds -- in particular where to build another settler?
Hold or raze St. Pete?
Diplo concerns?
After taking HK, planning to rebase bomber in Istanbul for Russian attack and probably some scouting. Any problems with that?
After Russia?
Are we going to continue to leave Tokyo alone?
Any thoughts on where Washington is and what problems the mapmakers may have in store for us there?

 

[Frederiksberg]

Great progress

Alpha should be up for trade in 6 turns and Caesar has Monarchy so we should be able to trade for this as well.

Our military campaign is going well and it's probably time to build some more infrastructure (forges) and a bunch of settlers for the open land to the W and SW. Dot-maps with proposed city sites are very welcome . We also need to start putting overflow into wonders for fail gold. Immediate target is ToA, but we can also put hammers into Mids. When we get the new city in "India" we can scout the island to the south with the bomber and see if it holds some nice city sites. I think we should consider the copper site so that we can build Colossus for fail gold and maybe also to keep.

Note, that HA's are now a 1-pop and workers are also 1-pop and still much better to whip than to build with food but we have to control the build-up of angry faces and use the culture slider. Well, whipping is really better in all cases except for wonders. When Guangzhou gets the Globe we can 1-pop a bunch of workers down there with big overflows.

We will have 6 pavilions in 3 turns and can start building the Globe in Guangzhou.

Bismarck is in war prep mode but the military adviser says we are safe. Not sure why. Maybe because of our military strength. His likely target is de Gaulle.

Comments to questions in green below:

I will have time to continue play in about 14 hours, unless someone wants to take over. Would appreciate thoughts on the following:

What to do with GG? Super medic chariot?
How to take advantage of the Kremlin. We have a sizable army (14 HA's 2 chariots, 3 swords, 1 cho-ko-nu) so I think it's time to build a bunch of settlers and claim all the open land - in particular the rich land to the SW. Also, we should start the push for fail gold with focus on ToA which we know will complete in ~9 turns in Chongquing. The -33% hurry cost translates to a multiplier of 1.5 on whipped hammers. This means that in most cities 1 pop is worth 30 x 1.1 x 1.5 = 49 hammers. In cities with Tao we get 30 x 1.35 x 1.5 = 60 hammers per pop for buildings because of the OR bonus. If we build forges we will similarly get 60 hammers per pop in any city and 30 x 1.6 x 1.5 = 72 hammers/pop for buildings in cities with Tao. It's the multiplication of Kremlin bonus and other bonuses that makes this so strong. I think we should 2-pop forges in our Tao cities very soon (ASAP in Guangzhou) and seek to get gold and gems improved for 4 happy faces. Forges in all cities as we move along.
City builds -- in particular where to build another settler? Forges in Tao cities, settlers in multiple cities (Note, that settlers are 2-pop now!), try to time it so that each turn we can pass overflow hammers into ToA and finance our expansion. It will take some time before we get Currency in trade or from a steal.
Hold or raze St. Pete? Hold, it has 3 resource tiles and we don't have any distance maintenance. I think St. Pete will auto raze if we capture now because it is size 1. Do we know when it was founded? Better plan to go for Moscow first.
Diplo concerns? I think we should try to keep Roosevelt, Bismarck and Caesar happy. They will be our trading partners and we should grant them demands.
After taking HK, planning to rebase bomber in Istanbul for Russian attack and probably some scouting. Any problems with that? I think the bomber needs protection. Mehmed has OB with Stalin and the bomber could worst case be destroyed by a wandering Russian unit.
After Russia? After Russia we can go for Mehmed. It will be interesting to see if he has built any Janissaries. He is a competitor for land in "Asia" so he needs to go sooner or later.
Are we going to continue to leave Tokyo alone? We should probably go after him at some point. Right now he seems like less of a threat compared to Mehmed.
Any thoughts on where Washington is and what problems the mapmakers may have in store for us there? The mapmaker has most likely put Washington on another continent. That would also explain why their tech rate is so low (High city maintenance).

 

[leif erikson]

Nice work CP!

Agree with Fred that the Great General would make a great healer with a chariot.

Are we going to need to build a city in order to allow the bomber to reach Moscow? If we're going to use Istanbul, can't we send a Horse Archer to the city to defend the Bomber?

Agree with Fred's other points.

 

[Cactus Pete]

Great progress

Alpha should be up for trade in 6 turns and Caesar has Monarchy so we should be able to trade for this as well. Will try to play six turns to obtaining Alpha and pause game today.

Our military campaign is going well and it's probably time to build some more infrastructure (forges) and a bunch of settlers for the open land to the W and SW. Dot-maps with proposed city sites are very welcome . Don't know how to make dot maps, so help requested (though may not be critical to this turn set). We also need to start putting overflow into wonders for fail gold. Immediate target is ToA, but we can also put hammers into Mids. When we get the new city in "India" we can scout the island to the south with the bomber and see if it holds some nice city sites. I think we should consider the copper site so that we can build Colossus for fail gold and maybe also to keep.

Note, that HA's are now a 1-pop and workers are also 1-pop and still much better to whip than to build with food but we have to control the build-up of angry faces and use the culture slider. Well, whipping is really better in all cases except for wonders. Appreciate the heads up. When Guangzhou gets the Globe we can 1-pop a bunch of workers down there with big overflows.

We will have 6 pavilions in 3 turns and can start building the Globe in Guangzhou. Will do, probably use overflow from forge and lths. Need a wkbt from there for India city ASAP, though.

Bismarck is in war prep mode but the military adviser says we are safe. Not sure why. Maybe because of our military strength. His likely target is de Gaulle. Again, thanks for heads up. What tells you he's on war footing?

"What to do with GG? Super medic chariot? So, all experience points on chariot? Already have a medic chariot. Should we further promote that one or use points on the rookie?
How to take advantage of the Kremlin. We have a sizable army (14 HA's 2 chariots, 3 swords, 1 cho-ko-nu) so I think it's time to build a bunch of settlers and claim all the open land - in particular the rich land to the SW. Also, we should start the push for fail gold with focus on ToA which we know will complete in ~9 turns in Chongquing. How do you estimate the 9 turns to completion? The -33% hurry cost translates to a multiplier of 1.5 on whipped hammers. This means that in most cities 1 pop is worth 30 x 1.1 x 1.5 = 49 hammers. In cities with Tao we get 30 x 1.35 x 1.5 = 60 hammers per pop for buildings because of the OR bonus. If we build forges we will similarly get 60 hammers per pop in any city and 30 x 1.6 x 1.5 = 72 hammers/pop for buildings in cities with Tao. It's the multiplication of Kremlin bonus and other bonuses that makes this so strong. I think we should 2-pop forges in our Tao cities very soon (ASAP in Guangzhou) and seek to get gold and gems improved for 4 happy faces. Forges in all cities as we move along. Follow that explanation and will proceed accordingly.
City builds -- in particular where to build another settler? Forges in Tao cities, settlers in multiple cities (Note, that settlers are 2-pop now!), try to time it so that each turn we can pass overflow hammers into ToA and finance our expansion. Understood.
Hold or raze St. Pete? Hold, it has 3 resource tiles and we don't have any distance maintenance. I think St. Pete will auto raze if we capture now because it is size 1. Do we know when it was founded? Better plan to go for Moscow first. That is my intention.
Diplo concerns? I think we should try to keep Roosevelt, Bismarck and Caesar happy. They will be our trading partners and we should grant them demands. Very helpful.
After taking HK, planning to rebase bomber in Istanbul for Russian attack and probably some scouting. Any problems with that? I think the bomber needs protection. Mehmed has OB with Stalin and the bomber could worst case be destroyed by a wandering Russian unit. Had not considered that. Will get a HA to Istanbul ASAP, as per leif's suggestion. Bomber cannot be lost.
After Russia? After Russia we can go for Mehmed. Will proceed with that in mind.
Are we going to continue to leave Tokyo alone? We should probably go after him at some point. Right now he seems like less of a threat compared to Mehmed. Concur.
Any thoughts on where Washington is and what problems the mapmakers may have in store for us there? The mapmaker has most likely put Washington on another continent. Yes, but why? What else might there be to it?

Will try to play in a couple of hours. Like to have advice on which chariot to promote.

 

[Frederiksberg]

Leif is right . Moscow can't be bombed from Istanbul. I suggest to whip a settler in Yan'an and found a new city in the NW near cow and gold:

Bomber City

From there we can reach St. Pete. and when St. Pete is ours we can rebase there and go after Moscow. We just need St. Pete to grow so that it won't auto raze. Alternatively we can attack and resettle.

I made two dot-maps. One for the area NW of Moscow:

Moscow NW

And one for SW of Mumbai:

Mumbai SW

We are in a race with the nearby AI - this is particularly true for Moscow NW because if Bismarck beats us to these spots we can't just go ahead and take them by force. We should plan ahead and have settlers on their way so that they reach Moscow about the time when it is captured. To claim all these sites we need a total of 7 settlers. Add to that some more marginal city sites and new sites on the southern island and it's clear we need a lot of settlers.

 

[Frederiksberg]

What tells you he's on war footing? Red fist in the box in the lower right hand corner.
How do you estimate the 9 turns to completion? Says so when you open the city screen.
Yes, but why? What else might there be to it? It may force us to learn Astro. If Roosevelt builds the AP we probably have to go after him at some point to get diplo points.

Bomber needs to re-base somewhere closer to HK which is currently out of range.

 

[Frederiksberg]

Wait, there is another way to reach Moscow! Looking at Ottoman culture it seems that Mehmeds second city is founded north of Istanbul. I suggest we send a HA to explore this area and protect the bomber if the city is there.

 

[Cactus Pete]

Thanks, and about which chariot to promote?

 

[Frederiksberg]

Promote the experienced chariot and give it medic 2, medic 3 and morale for an extra movement point.

 

[Cactus Pete]

Leif is right . Moscow can't be bombed from Istanbul. I suggest to whip a settler in Yan'an and found a new city in the NW near cow and gold: Wait, there is another way to reach Moscow! Looking at Ottoman culture it seems that Mehmeds second city is founded north of Istanbul. I suggest we send a HA to explore this area and protect the bomber if the city is there. I had noticed that and was planning to have a look, but think it's just expanded borders -- if extant, much better than the sorry cow city site.

I made two dot-maps. One for the area NW of Moscow:

Moscow NW

And one for SW of Mumbai: I still like the site 1NE of the lake better, rather than your two sites, but neither will be settled soon.

Mumbai SW

We are in a race with the nearby AI - this is particularly true for Moscow NW because if Bismarck beats us to these spots we can't just go ahead and take them by force. We should plan ahead and have settlers on their way so that they reach Moscow about the time when it is captured. To claim all these sites we need a total of 7 settlers. Add to that some more marginal city sites and new sites on the southern island and it's clear we need a lot of settlers.

Understood. The primo site NW of Moscow will be where I begin moving toward with the next settler out.

Thinking the promoted chariot will be GG'd, as he will get to 26 experience points. [see your cross post]

Quick feedback much appreciated. Will be playing in about an hour.

 

[Frederiksberg]

Yeah, you're probably right about the expanded culture. His 2nd city could be anywhere.

Good luck

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Sorry been a bit busy the last few days.

I cannot force him into Slavery.

Save the file as a WorldBuilderSave then change this line for the correct AI:-

CivicOption=CIVICOPTION_LABOR, Civic=CIVIC_SLAVERY

 

[Cactus Pete]

Well, it worked out fine, NZ, but how do you know that kind of thing?

REPORT T42-46: Bit of Frustration

T42: Move GG toward chariots; start to manage cites to produce future forges and settlers efficiently
IBT: Bismarck completes T of Artemis
T43: Advance on HK
IBT: Uneventful
T44: Take HK, lose lighths, retain granary
IBT: France founds Orleans
T45: Churchill offers Peace, but refuse at least until we have Alpha; can't find a hidden city site for bomber, so rebase it in Istanbul; Note that Istanbul is only defended by 2 archers;
gift Bismarck fish for long-term diplo
IBT: St. Pete to size 2; JC will trade Alpha
T46: Only trade JC Math and CoL for Alpha (hopeful that we will eventually be able to get Monarchy from someone else without giving up HBR or Metal Casting);
no other trades available -- AI is technically backwards for now
note that America can research Superconductors, which seems concerning;
find that Russia has just completed and roaded his iron mine, which can't be pillaged for two turns;
bomber scouts west of Moscow and finds uninhabited wilderness, but unfortunately there is a German settler party headed that way; good news is that we will very likely be able to base our bomber in the new German city in a few turns and attack Moscow from there;
Pause game for feedback.

SAVE: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Xteam_SG025_BC0475_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

LOG:

Spoiler :

Turn 92, 575 BC: You have trained a Horse Archer in Yan'an. Work has now begun on a Forge.
Turn 92, 575 BC: Bismarck has completed The Temple of Artemis!

Turn 93, 550 BC: You have constructed a Pavilion in Beijing. Work has now begun on a Forge.

Turn 94, 525 BC: Yan'an has grown to size 5.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Yan'an can hurry Forge for 2⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 50 turns.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Guangzhou has grown to size 8.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Beijing has grown to size 4.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Manchou has grown to size 6.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Manchou has become unhappy.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Manchou can hurry Forge for 3⇴ with 40ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 22 turns.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Shanghai can hurry Forge for 2⇴ with 5ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 24 turns.
Turn 94, 525 BC: The borders of Yan'an are about to expand.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Your Bomber has attacked an enemy Archer! (-46% Damage)
Turn 94, 525 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 12 (Manchou) (6.00) vs Churchill's Archer (3.48)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Combat Odds: 96.8%
Turn 94, 525 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 94, 525 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 94, 525 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 94, 525 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 12 (Manchou) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Churchill's Archer is hit for 21 (33/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 12 (Manchou) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Churchill's Archer is hit for 21 (12/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Churchill's Archer is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 12 (Manchou) has defeated Churchill's Archer!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Your Horse Archer 12 (Manchou) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 94, 525 BC: You have captured Hong Kong!!!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Nanjing has been founded.
Turn 94, 525 BC: SGOTM25's Chariot 3 (Yan'an) (4.00) vs Stalin's Scout (1.10)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 94, 525 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Stalin's Scout is hit for 35 (65/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Stalin's Scout is hit for 35 (30/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: Stalin's Scout is hit for 35 (0/100HP)
Turn 94, 525 BC: SGOTM25's Chariot 3 (Yan'an) has defeated Stalin's Scout!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Your Chariot 3 (Yan'an) has destroyed a Scout!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Mongolia will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 94, 525 BC: The borders of Yan'an have expanded!
Turn 94, 525 BC: You have constructed a Pavilion in Mongolia. Work has now begun on a Chariot.
Turn 94, 525 BC: De Gaulle has founded Orleans in a distant land.

Turn 95, 500 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Nanjing!
Turn 95, 500 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Beijing!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Guangzhou has become happy.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Guangzhou can hurry Forge for 2⇴ with 17ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 37 turns.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Beijing can hurry Forge for 2⇴ with 19ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 29 turns.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Manchou has grown to size 7.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mongolia has grown to size 3.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mongolia can hurry Chariot for 1⇴ with 5ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mumbai will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Churchill is willing to negotiate.
Turn 95, 500 BC: The borders of Mongolia are about to expand.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Churchill
Turn 95, 500 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 9 (Yan'an) (6.00) vs Churchill's Scout (1.60)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Plot Defense: +50%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Churchill's Scout is hit for 36 (64/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Churchill's Scout is hit for 36 (28/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Churchill's Scout is hit for 36 (0/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: SGOTM25's Horse Archer 9 (Yan'an) has defeated Churchill's Scout!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Your Horse Archer 9 (Yan'an) has destroyed a Scout!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Yan'an will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Guangzhou will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Shanghai will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 95, 500 BC: You have constructed a Forge in Guangzhou. Work has now begun on a Work Boat.
Turn 95, 500 BC: The borders of Mongolia have expanded!

Turn 96, 475 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Beijing!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Yan'an has grown to size 6.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Yan'an can hurry Forge for 2⇴ with 28ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 48 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Guangzhou will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Guangzhou can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 46 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Beijing can hurry Forge for 2⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 28 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Manchou has become happy.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Manchou can hurry Settler for 2⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 20 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Shanghai has grown to size 6.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Shanghai will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mumbai has been pacified.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Julius Caesar will trade Alphabet, Monarchy
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have discovered Alphabet!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Guangzhou will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Beijing will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Shanghai will grow to size 7 on the next turn.

I can play some more in about 16 hours, then that will be all for me for a while.

For Discussion:
Peace with Britain?
After gems are mined and roaded and workers returned to the mainland, considering sailing a HA to the landmass to the south of India, depositing him on the marble.
What about gifting Math to our trading partners (America and Germany) to speed their acquisition of Calendar, Construction, and Currency?
Going to scout south of Istanbul one turn then rebase bomber and scout elsewhere (suggestions?) until new German city is founded.
What about sending one settler to the NW of Moscow to take what Germany leaves available and others toward India?