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[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Phoenix Rising

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession GOTM' started by AlanH, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Tonny

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    Shall I start with :ar15:?

    T is set for confu temple and an engi there next turn is fine by me.

    Sly will go to clam 4W, ok

    tweaking the mish chain will result in a possible confu spread on t166 in cologne.
    we're not really pressed to do that faster, really?
    So Boot can attack a Tri imo :)

    first attack is 97% with Ara or Ath.... or 91% with Por.
    Should we gamble the 91% for 1XP more?
    agree with no gambles here

    looks like only the 2 of us are here right now, should we wait for gumbo and lymo?

    :lol: hello again gumbo ;)
    are you green on the 97% attack, gumbo? -> will give 2xp
    2 successful kills at 97 and 95 percent. -> 4xp gained

    porthos left with odds of only 79% umpromoted. I don't like these odds either.
    promote porthos to c2 and see the new odds?

    athos at 4.0/9 with 8xp, can promote next turn
    aramis at 4.9 with 7xp

    lb went first oddly, then a sword

    holding on :)
    yup, we're at 16/30 for gg now

    (ha, i see that lou has moved his cap to rheims)

    c2 odds are 90.06
    my is moo, i'm moo, you moo too gumbo?
    and another 2XP :D porthos at 6.1 with 5xp and can be promoted next turn

    We could raze chuckies augsburg to free up the other gold mine for sal
     
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  2. Fippy

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    What are your thoughts on KS?
    I would avoid the growth into -2 food there and use food for scientists instead, we could start with 1 more this turn.
    Use more after temple for some turns for the science boost.
    Growing would eat thru food faster.

    Agree with Bibs and we already did on T too.
    Should be a relatively easy 4t Refrig.

    T Confu Temple?
    Could use an Engi starting next turn for forge bonus.
    I think we don't care if we get an Engi or GS here.

    Sly can pick up Confu on clams 4w of V, gives him some extra movement.

    Edit nm, we could tweak first mish chain so Boot attacks a Tri?
    I just saw we cannot reach Hamburg in 2t.
    (Sly move is fine thou)

    If we even want to attack his ships right now, are we still risking our galleons at 96%?
    Olive here on land attacks, not much to discuss there.

    I really dunno if it's worth taking more seafights, we still very much need those ships and any replacement costs hammers in cities. While Muskies well they did their job when we reach GG.

    I think we need no gambles with plenty targets around.
    Let's see how things look after land attacks.
    We can wait yep.

    Nice, i would take c3 again..79% too low.
    Oops he only has c2.
    Moo on attack with c2 if 90% or better, then we know better if we still need seafights.

    Terrible news on capital move..if he takes Sally's gold we are out of 2 happy in forge cities.
    Hiya Lymo, well 2nd ring vs. 4th ring.
    Louie will get that gold eventually with much less culture created than Sal.

    I think we have to build warrior in T.
     
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  3. Gumbolt

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    Okay missed the new page. Doh!

    Yes galleons and caravels are risky. Above 95% should be safer. If I had attacked that c2 trireme we might of lost that galleon. I don't think the one I attacked was. One frigate would lap up a lost of those ships. See what muskets do. Will we get 1xp or 2xp per fight.

    I was here just on wrong page. I think attack with 2 strongest. Only report back if we lose.

    I was also waiting for Lymond.

    My gut would be to promote at that low. c1/c2? Who is defender to next attack? LB?

    How badly injured are they?

    Yes Promote C2. Odds would be 80-90%? Hold on!

    So 14 needed for next great general? Halfway there. :)

    Let's find out odds at C2.

    Quack!

    Capital news? Oh Rheims? I doubt it. Capital is worth 2 culture. Mecca culture will be higher?

    We have unlocked HE?

    Green on ceasefire. Too risky not to.

    6 more combat wins required?

    Sal has a big stack he can be bribed in against chuckie. Don't panic!

    Yeah just noticed he is still not pleased.
     
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  4. lymond

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    Hey Folks....sorry, having technical difficulties here...not sure when I will be avaiable
     
  5. Tonny

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    yep, we've unlocked HE (but need to promote athos first next turn)

    what's the verdict on boot... don't attack the trireme (even with 96%)?
    imo attack with boot too this turn (after mish unload to arnie)

    I second the veto on cara attacks

    boot odds are 96% for 2xp -> kermit? ofc pickup first

    success and upload

    biz has cara too

    CF done and the Mutts are in Nurn
    now we can get 40g from chuck, just give him a useless old tech for it, scrapping this idea

    I've included a WM at T too, both T workers will arrive in time at Bib to finish 2 WMs there on turn 178.

    :thumbsup: wonderful idea on cf gumbo :D

    atm MMM can't move up through chucky seas, closed borders. next turn MMM can

    worker plan
    at T -> 2nd WM
    at Bib -> 2 forests chopped
    at V -> finish WM
    Quack?

    Only SB to handle is left then
    switch to caste or pacifism will cost 115g
    he'll give 20g, wm and archery for banking atm (this was just checks on him teching banking)

    i'm fine with PP for paci switch

    quack on paci switch and 20 gold and wm :)
    and not trading banking atm?

    all done
    yep, ready to proceed
    gumbo moo?
     
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  6. Fippy

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    Well we can wait 1t and start temple first, see what happens.
    Sal cannot be bribed at cautious.
    Longterm it's most likely too risky without a warrior in T if we grow size 15, 14 would be fine with temple.

    Hmm how about we take galleon fights unless we lose 1 (could still do with 1 + 2 Caras).
    So i would be fine with boot attack after Confu was handed over.
    Even with Arnie losing 2 moves we could still deliver Confu into Hamburg in 3t, then he can walk into Cologne on same turn.

    Veto on any Cara attacks, they are too valuable and too low odds (Frigate upgrades if an AI reaches Privs).
    (just if somebody asks in the future)
    Kermit on boot

    :) Good on ceasefire now.

    Are you including another WM at T in your plans?
    If you want them at Bibs instead we can put 2t into windmill (better than mine).

    We could only get his gold if he's close to finishing something, otherwise we get worst enemy trade again.
    We need to avoid any diplo hits now, prolly not worth doing even if he's close on finishing a tech.

    Let's bring MMM up and pick up warrior from G somehow for T with galleons.
    I noticed it's not needed there, but eventually in T later.
    MMM not needed on ship lurkout now imo.
    G warrior could move south on the forest if that helps with pickup.

    Oops okay, Boot should be faster anyways.
    MMM can stay and heal then.

    Quack on workers.
    Let's make sure we pick up that warrior as quick as possible, he's really needed in V or T.

    Bully can get PP for Paci switch.
    No Caste, we dun want to unlock artists for him.
    He will settle next to our wheat..
    Nm on banking, would be fine if he switches into Paci for that.

    His wheat city will be an annoyance, close borders too..but nothing we can do about that.

    Moo on PP, cannot hurt to delay banking (he could trade with Biz).
    And yep ofc we take gold too.

    Looks like we are ready for another turn.
     
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  7. Gumbolt

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    We need 12xp. If Chuckie stack bombards for 2 turns we could be gaining 6more XP. We don't need to declare again for 1-2 turns. We have 2 units with promo due next turn. So naval comabts are not essential. If the triremes are unpromoted 95-96% should be safe. Make sure fully healed.

    96% is pretty good odds. Not with mish on board!

    I don't think we need that many more combat wins. I think the muskets will do most of the job. Can't even trade MT yet.

    I assume the caravel will pick up mish first?

    Moo with unload.

    Ceasefire? It will be quicker to heal in neutral land?

    How do we plan to build HE? Mine in T?

    SB galley heading off with a settler?

    Attack and CF plan worked a treat. :D No way Chuckie can take that city now. Mace has shock! I think promote to c3/c4 next turn and heal/see what happens.

    Don't build warriors bring units home. Warrior could return in a few turns. Each musket/galleon needs to win 1 more combat.

    You can't trade with chuckie!!

    You know when someone say 10 mins and 1-2 hours later....... :lol:

    Really not been following worker micro. Quack if Mylene is happy.

    Send out MMM for warrior but be careful how you move in the fog. You don't want to attack a trireme. Perhaps should of moved him before ceasefire. Hmmm.

    He could settle the island. That would be good.

    If were not declaring next turn then MMM could swing around the island city to escape.

    Quack but can't we get switch and 20g for PP?

    Are we definitely declaring next turn?

    Moo. I guess warrior can wait a bit.
     
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  8. lymond

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    I'm kinda here/kinda not :lol: ..at the moment. Proceed as if I'm not but I'll chime in if needed.

    Well, if they had sent me the right part ...grrrrr

    moo :D
     
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  9. Tonny

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    which warrior do you mean gumbo?
    G warrior is heading back to V (being picked up by Boot)
    Bib-V warrior stays put for now and goes where needed
    eastern warrior is heading to Bib or T (wherever needed the most)
    dogT stays put as healer for now
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    IBT
    X in Bully's Spiro (that's 1 less mish needed)
    Chuck has suicided his stack on Nurn, only a spear left.

    did some obvious moves

    upload
    can't see the odds now without declaring first
    T will get 1 scientist and 1 engi
    declare again -> check

    athos has 96% odds (promoted and at 6.5/9)
    porthos at 98% (c3 and 7.6/9)
    healing the mutts, only aramis takes 2t to heal, others 1t.

    In 4t our G warrior arrives at V, nicely timed imo.
    Boot, Arnie and Rambo moved. MMM stays put and healing atm
    Trips is set for HE

    I'd like to wait for Iron with Lou.
    60g at Lou isn't worth trading anything?
    No trade negotiations this turn then
    All Oink to proceed?
     
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  10. Gumbolt

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    See Boot could win a combat this turn then head back? Not sure how urgently we need the warrior.
    Not talking about Dogt. He is still needed for healing.

    Kill spear? What odds without promo? Sword should be 1 turn behind?

    We should still promote to speed up healing on both.

    Green on declare.

    Louis has 1 gold to trade. Cancel fur and hope for 4g a turn?

    HE for fail gold in trips?

    Maybe better to fully heal for now.

    moo

    May not need iron.

    1G won't change game now.

    Oink.

    Means we have to gift Xtian mish to Louis.
     
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    I think we should declare again (every turn without shared war costs us diplo).
    Can do no attacks thou and just promote + heal.

    Warrior pickup is fine for Boot still, we are not that much in hurry for more GG points.

    Not much else to discuss this turn.
    Spear not worth it imo, we would stand vulnerable aferwards.
    Rambo can move out.
    Trips could switch to HE.

    Oki Moo
    Can try for 1g unless we want to wait cos of Iron.
    No trades visible.
     
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  12. lymond

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    Yup....Athos has achieved HE

    Oink!

    All depends on if we need Iron in 10 turns

    Tres Oink!

    sacré bleu!

    maybe side effect of bringing into war, but that has its pluses too
     
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  13. Tonny

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    lots has happened ibt!
    Lou adopts Theocracy -> no free religion there
    Biz finishes MoM
    Peter gave birth to a GM
    upload
    mish is in hamburg now, ready to go to cologne
    Mutts don't see any stacks anymore
    MMM still healing
    did a slight adjustment to V compared to save (+6f with a scientist and engineer an +20h into uni)

    NW is adjusted. Dun gets 24h per turn now (traded 1 sci for the fur mine)
    KS is adjusted
    SB trades done

    NW with horsies and silver gives only 15hpt

    Trips needs a drydock too. Trips is set for research.

    Confu mish is at Cologne. I want to be sure that everyone agrees with self spreading (not gifting)
    Arnie at hamburg could heal or head back for cara chain another mish.
    Mutts to stay put?

    :( spread failed
    upload for checks and finishing today

    :lol: I got punished for the forest growth in G I guess

    We can spread X to more of our cities as well to offset the Chuck city. Still no problem imo. We were expecting size 8 cities. MMM can always pillage the seafood there ;)

    Nites My :)

    Staying below 75% won't be a problem either with the at least 24 votes from sal/biz/chuck
    I'm counting on the votes from biz/pete/sb due to our dilligent pampering.

    Nites Gumbo :)
    Stay Cool Lymo ;)
     
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    Oh well, chances on Free Reli are low for him.

    No Bully settler at wheat, consider me surprised :)

    Some city suggestions..V doesn't need mine Engi will do.
    NW needs to somehow build Dun with best possible overflow for Kremlin.
    KS could use 4 more scientists (keeps a forge bonus) for boost towards Commu.

    Quack on Cologne try here.
    We can sell Bully banking for whatever gold he will give this turn, not avoidable anymore.
    Also getting his 1gpt.

    Go with 16hpt into Dun (just horsies and silver), arrives at 48 = perfect.
    We have time.

    Hmm what buildings does Trips have left as requirement, just Dun & HE?
    Already just 5 pop whipping, we can do this later and use research imo.

    Oh okay sorry, your first plan with 24h was good then.

    Oki also double speed on drydock and 2 forests left, research should be fine.
    Unless we need the city not whipped down late, but i cannot see why.

    Cara chain is fine, i like self spreading.
    We can do the usual NE check then heal another turn i guess.

    Was it ever confirmed that holy cities are more difficult?
    I cannot see that written somewhere.

    Nonsense Civ rng yep -.-
    I mean we had 4 failed spreads this game already now, all at 11% odds and i believe nothing of that being the actual number (as in how that rng really works), cos those are another lottery win odds.
    And you get lots of lottery wins in this game.

    :thumbsup: Tonny all looks perfect, nitey guys.
    (agree on gifting 2nd mish, so bored of this that i lost all opinion anyways)
     
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  15. Gumbolt

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    Better to gift. Chance of fail lower.

    Science rising nicely here. Albeit quite a few builds left here.

    General- Dun, Temple, Barracks, Drydock, Heroic Epic, Corporation HQ

    3 builds and corp left.

    It's a risk as holy city but might as well try spread.

    I think AI have much less fails on spreads. Hence why it can be better to gift. I think for xtian ones better to gift. Or place in city with no religion. We will want them in the big cities of the ones we like. Chuckie city is now size 8! We will need plenty of votes from Peter/bully and Germans.

    We need to stay below 75%. The rest must be Ai votes. At present French/Sal and Chuckie could have 24 votes. Bully city will be quite small.

    Gonna call it a night too tired. Night all.
     
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    Bull may be heading to Pleasure Island to the north

    Drydock later

    Totally fine with self spread

    I've not seen it written as law, but seen it mentioned a few times. I've never really seen significant diff in my experience.
    Random is Random

    Ton ..we blame you for that fail spread :D :mischief:

    Yep, mish spread has been are bane this game, but bright side is a lot has gone right

    RNG giveth and RNG taketh away :lol:

    Winning the Great Actor lottery with Leo was a good one :)

    Nitey My! ;) Sorry, I was indisposed today. I'm sure my expertise was missed :D

    Nites fellas! :goodjob: Herr Ton

    75% is just our own votes, right? As long as votes are coming from others the % does not matter as long as it's enough to win.


    Well, you know I am a cool guy :lol: ...see ya

    35.55 Celsius tomorrow:eek:

    yep, that's what I thought...easy to manage that here

    I'm gonna fry....likely have to replace the darn thing. Guy coming tomorrow. May have to check into hotel if I can't stand it. Reminds me of college days.

    And DC is a swamp...humidity high here and just starting to kick in as it does in July

    goede nacht

    Water? and Netherlands? You certainly jest :lol:

    and donkey shins to you
     
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  17. Tonny

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    yep, the 75% is our own only.
    If we have for example 74% of the votes we only need 1% for DV
    you'll be on :devil: tomorrow :lol:

    Here in The Netherlands any day above 30 celsius is hell too. humidity here is also extremely high (and no, not joking about humidity here :))

    :) dank je
     
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    Something on trading that we could discuss "early", in ~6t Biz will only have Consti as good option for us.
    With Banking and Paper much more likely.
    If we time Banking, PP and Paper to him right we could unlock RP too (and not much else, just Edu which can be given away at that point).

    I would be fine with waiting on 1h for WMs and Levee if one of them goes there after MT.

    I will be here :)

    No hurry i will be away for at least an hour.
     
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  19. lymond

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    We up for some action today :)

    Unlock the Biz ..yup

    ;) Yep, it's sunny today but brutally hot ...not good to be outdoors in this humidity. At least my AC is back up and running :whew:

    i'm gonna run an errand for about an hour...true hour..ha...while we wait for Ton, but if he shows up feel free to commence.

    Ready whenevah! Whew ..it's a scorcher out there.. I sweat in my face mask.

    (I thought it was Saturday :crazyeye: ...it's holiday round these parts so I lose track)

    twiddles thumbs :D
     
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    Just weekemds we usually stop.
     

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