[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Phoenix Rising

[Fippy]

Next turn we need a full check if all whips work as desired, after Civic switches.

Fine on chop.
Green on US, Slavery and Free Market.
Bur and OR are not questioned imo.

Not much to see until we switched i fear.
We have no choice anyways on all 3, no discussion needed there.
But you can put all big builds in before uploading so we can all see they (hopefully) work.

Meh let's not hide those whips, i would rather upload the final save and complete properly.
We can avoid showing up in threads thou.

WP first.

 

[Gumbolt]

Thief in the night!

Cruising to the finish but I would upload after any civic switches so checks can be made.

Are we still going US and Free market? Need to make sure corps still work. Slavery is the big one.

A mistake here would kill the game.

Are we hiding final whips from graphs or do we not care?

Correct civics check.

I need to sleep. Don't wait for me. Better to finish this off.

I doubt that. I think it had more to do with AP. Reduce Ai voting share. That and get GG.

 

[lymond]

nothing of note.

Fred chop to Trips now fine ..right?

yep..this is big turn here

upload

Flip the switch on US, Slavery and FM?
yes..I will def upload after civic switches

Okay, I will make civic switches now and upload

are we whipping IA or WP first?

ok..hold a sec.
vvvvvv

 

[Tonny]

Summary of whips/buys:
t209, t210
B -> done
V -> 8 pop WS, 4 pop Market
T -> 8 pop IW, 3 pop IP
G -> 5 pop GT, BT rush buy 525g
NW -> 5 pop WP, 2 pop IA
KS -> t209 nothing, 4 pop Conf Acad or rush buy 550g
Trips -> 2 pop DD, 3 pop HE and HQ with Artist

yep -> US, Slavery and Free Market switch
definitely WP first
just finish the game, why hide . staying out of other threads, yup

whips look good

do not whip this turn!!!

the other 4 whippers look good also

We can drop our science to ~680/turn to be safe bulbing MM.
But if we keep this rate and building science now, we can play around with the slider and Bib build to generate more gold for rushbuying stuff

sleep well Gumbo

removing some cold whips definitely is fine by me and adding some hammers into others also.
suggestion for V -> 8 pop now and overflow into Market
suggestion for T -> 7 pop now and overflow into Industrial Park

ok, your list is fine by me My
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cities look good

now we need to gift some techs

why can't we give demo to Biz?

 

[lymond]

upload...think we are good

but we sooo want to look at their thread
I think Homies were just using warfare to exhort techs

and cheers to Mycro Queen!

green on whipping all the things...except KS of course

IA - 2popper
Market - 4popper cold
Ind Park - 4popper cold
Drydock - 2popper

oki..no whipping


yeah..I honestly don't see how MM could be in trouble...we lose some beakers and the bulb is lower but should be more than enough to bulb on t210

check builds please Gumbo..I think we have all covered...only ones not already queued were Market and IP

We can build science in KS still as well...now

Def have to whip Globe this turn or next

Well, if I'm not mistaken, we look perfectly fine here on whips and rushbuys, so science would be the only ???...and that appears to be way more than fine from what you are saying
...all the testing My did means we are totally cool on the whips

I'm down with that

ha...V can 2t market anyway

night gumbo..we will win this one for you

V slow builds Market and whips WS on t210
Trips good to what on HE?

ok...I think I got that stuff straight.
Bibs should be able to keep scientists this turn with farm finishing next turn (good idea on workers)
derp..forgot about GA hammers ..you are probably right

upload

We can give everything but Fridges to Sal...and Demo to Biz....seriously doubt we can boost Bull again with tech

G and NW ..just one coast each ?

gonna assume all coast in those cities..except G with just the one

 

[Fippy]

Yup we are, good to see my test worked in the end
Let's also check backup builds please, market and so on.
Market, Indu Park, IA.

We are not forced to whip this turn yet thou.
That needs some consideration i guess.

I honestly don't know what's better, getting them over with cos science looks so safe or waiting.
What looks like the safer play?

I mean we are not even building science this turn, which we could do next turn.

Maybe i would suggest to not whip this turn but put more hammers into all builds, so we keep more overall pop for score in case of tiebreaker.
For example V could put hammers into market, T into IP.

Sleep well Gumbo.

G or NW cannot reduce the whip with more hammers, so no point there.
Trips good on HE.

So overall i would suggest V market - T IP - Trips HE - NW, KS and G on research or wealth (i don't think it matters at this point which we take).
V cannot slow build market cos we lose so many hammers as GA ends, i think.

There's very little overflow for whipping now, we just lose hammers to smaller cities.

Not much more to add here on that topic.

Oki, V can drop scientist and pick coast (no difference now, might as well take food).
Same in G and NW. And trips
Yup just replacing them for 3c coast.

Will use new post so it's not a clutter.

 

[Gumbolt]

Yes double check all build options. We have a lot of gold still. Might be able to run some wealth at some point as losing 150 now.

I would also double check list that is on site to ensure we have all builds.

We don't need to whip this turn. We could buy the market now?

Not checked builds. Off to bed super tired.

Yep if you want to finish get this over with.

 

[Fippy]

We just need to give techs now that unlock others basically.
So Refrig should go (we just laugh at the thought of Privs now basically).

All else we can wait until next turn.

We should not give MM to anybody, as crucial AP tech it's not worth doing so cos who knows.

But i would suggest we bribe Peter and Biz into war with Chuckie now via those gifts.
No way they capture all those cities in 2t.
Will give us extra diplo point with them.

Yup green, so just Fridges this turn is fine.

Hmm good point, okay no war then.
Maybe next turn if Fly shows nothing is close.

Tense turn but i cannot spot anything else atm.
Why not.
Kermit here

 

[lymond]

We can give everything but Fridges to Sal...and Demo to Biz....seriously doubt we can boost Bull again with tech

there really are no "unlocking" techs here..at least from a further gifting standpoint

well, actually Fridges would be...i keep thinking not to trade that..ha

MM is irrelevant for unlocking...just Fridges..and we are not giving BULL Lib

So green on Fridges to all the peeps..but Lou

we could not give MM away even if we wanted to...we bulb on t210 and you can't trade it immediately
(no reason not to give away Radio ...mind you)

green on Pete and Biz to give Fridge for war+gold (poor chuckie )

actually on further thought I'm gonna balk at the war bribes. With Bizzy Galleons nearby we cannot risk Chuck losing Mainz....that would be disastrous .

yeah, I'm glad I caught that..who knows if Infantry are on those ships

upload...note I move boot N to blockage as in bit of danger

horse to Bully fwiw?

oki..done...moos?

ton is getting punchy latenight

 

[Tonny]

agree with My here, gift techs that unlock others
Fridge unlocks superconductors
Lib unlocks communism -> doesn't really matter, yup. No Lib for Bull
Radio unlocks MM -> no MM trade, but just mentioned "unlocking" techs

totally fine on world war against Chuck

good point Lymo!!! Biz stays out of war then

Can't find anything to change either (maybe EP? )
good to go!!!!
if you don't want to horse around, sure
MOO

 

[lymond]

No way we can't bulb MM next turn

green on

V - WS whip
T - IW whip
Trips - HE whip
NW - WP whip
G - Globe whip
?????

oki..those are done..
Bibs can actually keep scientists this turn ..fwiw

bpt - 795....waaay more than enough

wait how much gold do we need for BT
Conf Acad is 549g..which leaves just about 1000g for BT

oh..BT only 175h ..we should be more than fine on that...thought it was more expensive

yep..maybe enough to rush buy something else and avoid more whips ..save a little score

oki..war bribes should be safe now..green on Pete and Biz for SuperCond
and actually we should give all techs to Biz and Sal this turn
(bully does not matter ..nothing to improve)

(as I expected Russia will actually top us in score..well maybe..real close)

pop is 71 or 2, ton

no way it's captured next turn...211 should be irrelevant as vote would have taken place, but honestly I'm not totally sure...never seen it. ( I do know peace treaty still goes into affect on peace votes even if you make ceasefire turn of vote, but may not be relevant)
anyway, we don't need this diplo at all

Yup...let's switch him to OR

yup no war.

so green on:

All techs to Sal and and Biz and Pete, with Pete switched to OR
we get 110g as well from all that

indeed...Pete is Confusedly in love with us again

We can switch Sal into FM or US or both, thus making Emanci irrelevant

true..though extreeeeeeeemely doubtful he switches to X ..I mean veeeery
plus he WILL be in anarchy..can't do both
we can switch him out of Emanci too..haha
(I have not done anything yet on trades)

honestly, what we do with Pete is really irrelevant right now.

okay making trades
vvvvvv

 

[Fippy]

Greenie for WS, IW, GT, WP and HE whips this turn.
Not Market, we don't have enuf pop for WS then.
Would be a serious mistake i think.

Another potential hiccup, bulb artist must be the one in G ofc

Tower will cost 525g.
We should still have something left as backup after BT & Cathedral, and KS can also be last just in case.

Order will be: BT, founding corp (see if that costs money), then check what else can be done.

What would happen if Mainz gets captured next turn, aka the voting turn? Or on 211?
Feels uncomfy this turn already, i think diplo points still count next turn so we can wait 1 more with wars?
Also, can Peter be Civic switched this turn?

Sounds good, some extra points for him being back in Confu?
Not totally sure on Demo for Sal, he could switch into Emanci and cause unhappy?
But besides that i see no harm on other trades.

Too late on Tonny's comment on OR i think :-/
Fine with all other techs in this case if you also switch Sal.

I would agree on holding one tech back for Peter then if nothing done yet, and do that OR switch next turn. But as you guys decide, not experienced there.

Slightly funny how long you are making us wait for a save this turn

 

[Tonny]

V -> WallStreet
yup, My's list
this is nervewrecking

how are we looking at rushbuying stuff?

BT is tested on 525g
maybe we can buy the Market as well

how much pop do we have now? 66?

green on all techs you seem fit
better to be safe than sorry, we don't need diplo points from Pete or Biz.
no war

I like to see Pete in Free religion. Getting him into OR now still gives him the opportunity to go X as a religion.
Civic switches and Religion switches have different counters -> never mind, he can only switch after the vote, so no problem here

green on Sal techs and switch
also green on Pete and Biz

If you're up for another tense moment
we can drop our science to 220 exactly to bulb MM exactly

NW can work silver, can work coast and will grow back as well
Trips will grow back after whip, so keep coast there

green!
we can go very low on tech rate, anything you want
as long as we're above 220 beakers (by a wide enough margin) we're good

mootastic here
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don't forget next turn, vote for ourselves

 

[lymond]

okay okay upload geez you'd think it was late or something

we did get the tech boost with Biz, but not Sally

Fred - retire?

okay ...let's see:

G can grow again in time, so keep coast

T back to scientist
NW back to scientists

Trips maybe can grow back if keeps food after DD whip but not sure
KS took 1 scientist

good point...V went all hammers ...even crab
Bibs and KS on wealth...ks already was last turn

haha..exactly...milky milk milk
NW is maxxing food
Trips is max food..yup

okay ..one more upload for checks, but think we are about good here

losing only 19gpt

at progress & results graph....woooooooooosh! Down the rollercoaster we go!
nothing obvious about that

I see no point in that..whips are already planned...we could buy market, if needed, or IP


yep..IP is a real possibility here to save T pop for score

lower slider to 70% for +81g...539 bpts to be safe

well, that is what I just said miss mind meld

moo? from Moocro Queen?

okay..here we go...I will vote for us and then upload immediately

 

[Fippy]

Yep just put all those guys on sleep.
So last question before we are almost done, how do we balance research and wealth?
Also scientists are a bit better now than coast, not that it should matter.

V can probably build market in 1t if we go all hammers.
I would say we can easily build wealth instead of research.

Hmm i think NW can also grow back after IA whip if we go max food (nice thinking, feels like a HoF ending).

I can do without that tense moment, Tonny

Bibs could even use merchants instead for more gold, and some cities an Engi.
Or we lower the slider instead.
If we want more gold, also fine with skipping that.
But 720 beakers is certainly overkill.

I think for a proper micro ending we should make just 500 beakers or so, and have some more gold for possible rushbuys to save pop.
But feel free to advance
Sounds good.

Moooo

I thought we vote for our best friend Chuckie, disappointing.

Remember, the Artist in G bulbs
We can look at mish after everything else was done imo (and all those details).

After BT & HQ i am also green on buying Cathedral, more important than pop saving buys.
Oki
Keystone must be Cathedraled.

Are we confusing Peter now, and Chuckie war? We can get 170 more gold too.

Okay if none of those, green on buying everything and ending this game

Honestly i cannot tell with Peter, i have no experience if that could cause something weird with a vote that happened on the same turn as MM.
Maybe we should not change anything now, there have been some weird "vote cancelled" on AI survivor.
I know, it's not about Peter doing something but how the game reacts to something that was not intended.

Not uploaded for me.

All looks fine, fingers crossed
Nope against that, we need our EP for something else

Spoiler :

did you seriously ask

Just tell us!!!!

 

[lymond]

well, bulb MM first?

and X mish to Vlad or Moscow....Vlad still sanitary

well, I did consider abstaining (only other option)

BT is 525g .

don't think corp costs anything to found it

ha..no info on "Member's screen" now

X is in Vlad..My..I would have voted that too without question

BT bought, Corp found (No cost), 1266g to spare

Buy Cathedral...check

Market is 1t

717g...we can def buy IND park...I'm gonna upload now though
upload

Bibs has been fixed

Okay..by my Calculation we can rushbuy all the things. with Pete's gold
IP, IA and DD

as Ton says, all we need is Pete's gold
green on SC to Pete and rushbuy IP, IA and DD?

actually better to hold score higher this turn than whip and grow back

KS has been Cathredalized..it has undergone Cathedralization

More than enough gold to buy IP, IA and DD

switch Pete to OR for giggles?

he'd be in anarchy IBT My ..doesn't matter what he does next turn

okay..not sure I see what could go wrong ..His votes are already tabulated. but it is not needed...I will skip it.

upload for ONE FINAL CHECKIESSSSS
okay..sorry.. not sure what I did..maybe daydreamed

No clue what to tech so pick Fascism

100%EP would work

green on 100% EP into BULLY

final MOOOOOOOOOOS

 

[Tonny]

point of order:
1. bulb MM
2. buy BT
3. establish HQ
4. X to Vlad is fine (we don't want any failed spreads anymore )
5. buy Cathedral (agree with My)

(my vote prediction on turn 211 -> 81/90, a staggering 90%)

get all the gold from Pete and we can buy all the other builds left

Confuse Pete and get his gold no war is needed

getting Pete in OR doesn't affect the vote result, but if you don't want to, then don't.
He's still in Free Religion, no problem there.

for giggles, can we adjust the EP to see what Bully is teching?

plz hit "upload"

I guess we're done



I'm def green on EP towards Bull. I really want to see his "superfast" tech



Everything that is yellow and blue combined, an animal, or anything you would call it!
This is absolutely the longest turn I've ever played here

 

[lymond]

WE WIN UN!!!!

82-91 votes

yep..that was a jest

Game uploaded ...was there anything we needed to do on last turn..I don't think soo

I will PM NZ and Alan

It was a pleasure to have you Ton!!

Nanners must dance!


So are we REALLY not gonna look at other threads?

man, imgur's new look is not user friendly:

Spoiler We Win! We Win! :

sorry ..did not think to take pic of vote...hunger is affecting my brain

I think Homies finish is probably locked..not sure how them knowing we finished changes much. You think they are just using war to exhort techs?

Anyway, NZ and Alan are probably....zzzzzzzzzzz

I think Homeboys have pretty good idea what we were up to ...and that we were fairly close to finishing

Could be if they are going Conquest I guess. I think they are just exhorting techs.

well if one of us looks then all of us can, but I won't be doing so until tomorrow and we can't until NZ pings us
(although really it is not like NZ pinging us does anything..our game is over)

alright ..yall get some much deserved rest ...while I go feast before I faint..

By the way,

Spoiler :

Final Distinction just pm'd me for congratulations, but mentioned good idea that, once game is accepted, we can look at threads without logging in

 

[Fippy]

UN? lol

We are not even allowed to do anything with cities anymore i think.

Not sure yet, you could have been better in maths Tonny


I hope that joke was obvious, let's wait with celebrating until we get confirmation all was met
No screenie Lymo?

Well we can look if others post in our thread i guess, since that gives it away as well.
But if not we shouldn't until they passed us (if they do).

Hmm i think they might do some kind of all-in push if they found out we are done with a 210 upload. But difficult to tell.
They can tell with 90% this was our last turn, we were never up that late or had such a score drop So if you prefer lurking, i will not stop you lol.

I really doubt they do conquest..not enuf power.
Sure they have some kind of army, but a full conquest requires more (in time).

for bringing us home Lymo, excellent.
Nitey

 

[Tonny]

UN?!?! lol

Congratulations to all!
This has been a thrilling rollercoaster!
Thank you for inviting me to join you on this journey!




My

I'm itching to look too, but at least wait for confirmation

maybe homies are now thinking that we just hit Sushi with our sudden drop (it resembles their drop)

anyhow, I'm not looking... just not to give away anything

I'm off too
Nites