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[BTS] SGOTM 26 - The Indecisive

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession GOTM' started by AlanH, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Noble Zarkon

    Noble Zarkon Elite Quattromaster - Emperor (BTS) Super Moderator Hall of Fame Staff Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Don't kill yourselves to get it done today - if you can that's great but an extra day or two is fine.
     
  2. Folket

    Folket Deity

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    I'm feeling better now. I will start playing.
     
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  3. Folket

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    TODO:
    Spread Christianity to Munich.
    Send one missionary to IT. Make sure we have enough votes for victory, if it is close send missionaries to Russia.
    Get GM and send him to IT. Should arrive turn 132. If we do not get a GM save and upload. If we get a GM revolt to slavery and continue.
    Whip Heroic epic turn 137.
    Whip drydock turn 138.
    Whip Globe Theatre turn 138.
    Whip industrial part turn 138.
    Chop forests in 5w on turn 137.
    Whip west point on turn 138.
    Cathedral and Wall Street we just finish with normal production.

    turn 225
    Succesful spread in Munich on first try. We need 1 more vote for victory.
    I decide to starve 3 pop in 6R to increase chances for GM.

    turn 226
    Privateer is gone.

    turn 227
    Russia needs superconductors. I'm happy to help out.
    Cathedral finished.

    turn 228
    We get a great merchant.
    Wall Street finished.
    Made a defencive pact with Peter as it will keep Sioux from planing a war against us.
    Revolt to slavery.

    turn 229
    I group three galleons to escort the GM.

    turn 230
    Sitting Bull demands Military Tradition. I yeild.
    vote for religious leader. I abstain.
    I realize 4 turns to vote is 5 turns. Victory date set to 240.
    Trading Corporation to Germany has brought them to Friendly because of +1 "shared tech"

    turn 231
    As expected we get votes from both Germany and Russia. If we had votes we would win with 12 votes margin.
    I found Cereal mills.

    turn 233
    HRE declare war on Arabia.
    I give HRE Corporation, Communism and Steel to make peace.

    turn 237
    Christianity spread in Vladivostok.
    If we do not get Bismarks votes for some reason we have 3 pop margin and we have whipping to do. But 3 pop margin should be about 12 pops we can whip away.

    turn 238
    Christianity spread in Moscow.

    turn 240
    Victory vote

    trun 241
    Victory!!!

    Spoiler Log :

    Here is your Session Turn Log from 1575 AD to 1655 AD:

    Turn 225, 1575 AD: Christianity has spread in Munich.
    Turn 225, 1575 AD: Bibracte celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!
    Turn 225, 1575 AD: Saladin adopts Representation!
    Turn 225, 1575 AD: Saladin adopts Caste System!
    Turn 225, 1575 AD: Louis XIV's Golden Age has begun!!!
    Turn 225, 1575 AD: Louis XIV has completed The Taj Mahal!

    Turn 226, 1580 AD: Bibracte celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!

    Turn 227, 1585 AD: Hanno (Great Merchant) has been born in 6R (Lady Stoneheart)!

    Turn 228, 1590 AD: Lady Stoneheart signs defensive pact with Peter
    Turn 228, 1590 AD: Christianity has spread in Island Town IT.
    Turn 228, 1590 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
    Turn 228, 1590 AD: Lady Stoneheart adopts Slavery!
    Turn 228, 1590 AD: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established.
    Turn 228, 1590 AD: Charlemagne has completed Versailles!

    Turn 229, 1595 AD: William Shakespeare (Great Artist) has been born in Paris (Louis XIV)!
    Turn 229, 1595 AD: Charlemagne's Golden Age has ended...

    Turn 231, 1605 AD: Cereal Mills has expanded into Island Town IT.
    Turn 231, 1605 AD: Cereal Mills has brought +2℣-6ℴ to Island Town IT. Increase this bonus by acquiring more Wheat, Corn, Rice.
    Turn 231, 1605 AD: Cereal Mills has been incorporated in Island Town IT!
    Turn 231, 1605 AD: Lady Stoneheart has completed Cereal Mills!
    Turn 231, 1605 AD: Beaver Bay (BB) celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!

    Turn 232, 1610 AD: Beaver Bay (BB) celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!
    Turn 232, 1610 AD: Charlemagne has declared war on Saladin!
    Turn 232, 1610 AD: Charlemagne adopts Representation!

    Turn 233, 1615 AD: Charlemagne has made peace with Saladin!
    Turn 233, 1615 AD: Louis XIV's Golden Age has ended...

    Turn 234, 1620 AD: You have discovered Industrialism!
    Turn 234, 1620 AD: Ptolemy (Great Scientist) has been born in Najran (Saladin)!

    Turn 235, 1625 AD: Sitting Bull adopts Organized Religion!

    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Judaism has spread in Vladivostok.
    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Judaism has spread in Yekaterinburg.
    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Saladin adopts Universal Suffrage!
    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Saladin adopts Emancipation!
    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Bismarck has completed Rock N Roll!
    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Christianity has spread in Vladivostok.
    Turn 236, 1630 AD: Aretas III (Great Merchant) has been born in Moscow (Peter)!

    Turn 237, 1635 AD: St. Paul (Great Prophet) has been born in Berlin (Bismarck)!
    Turn 237, 1635 AD: Christianity has spread in Moscow.

    Turn 238, 1640 AD: Peter adopts Representation!
    Turn 238, 1640 AD: Peter adopts State Property!

    Turn 239, 1645 AD: 6R has grown to size 13.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: 6R has become unhealthy.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Sitting Bull has 60 gold available for trade.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Sitting Bull has 5 gold per turn available for trade.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Charlemagne won't trade Rice
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Canal City (CC) will grow to size 16 on the next turn.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Island Town IT.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Island Town IT.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for 6R West (5W).
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for 6R West (5W).
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: You have constructed Heroic Epic in Island Town IT. Work has now begun on a Drydock.
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Bismarck adopts Representation!
    Turn 239, 1645 AD: Bismarck adopts Caste System!

    Turn 240, 1650 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Island Town IT!
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: 6R has become healthy.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Canal City (CC) has grown to size 16.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: 6R West (5W) has become unhealthy.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Island Town IT has become healthy.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Louis XIV has 180 gold available for trade.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Peter has 9 gold per turn available for trade.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Bibracte will grow to size 21 on the next turn.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Twin Clams (TC) will grow to size 15 on the next turn.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: 6R will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Island Town IT will grow to size 13 on the next turn.
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: Deal Canceled: Peace Treaty (10 Turns) to Sitting Bull for Peace Treaty (10 Turns)
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: You have discovered Medicine!
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: 6R celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!
    Turn 240, 1650 AD: The Apostolic Palace voting members have announced their decision: Religious Leader (Diplomatic Victory) (Requires 162 of 216 Total Votes)

    Turn 241, 1655 AD: Bibracte has grown to size 21.
    Turn 241, 1655 AD: Twin Clams (TC) has grown to size 15.
    Turn 241, 1655 AD: 6R has grown to size 12.
    Turn 241, 1655 AD: Island Town IT has grown to size 13.
    Turn 241, 1655 AD: Island Town IT has become unhealthy.
    Turn 241, 1655 AD: Bismarck has 50 gold available for trade.
    Turn 241, 1655 AD: Peter has 130 gold available for trade.


    I attached the autosave for people who want the victory recorded in their games.
     

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  4. Folket

    Folket Deity

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    I should have realized earlier that the vote is on turn -1 which is very strange. 0 turns to vote means one turn left. With that knowledge there was a shot at winning 7 turns earlier. But if Bismark had not become friendly and voted on us that would have delayed victory 20 turns.

    Well played Cactus Pete and RRRaskonikov. I think the game was great fun in August and September when it heated up.
     
  5. Folket

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    I have problems with my stomach quite often. It is not anything to worry about.
     
  6. RRRaskolnikov

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    Well played to both of you. :thumbsup: My main contribution was to open the thread I guess :lol:.

    Sorry again for dropping out during a couple of months without notice, I had way too much on my hands (pitboss, notws, etc...) and I just have that much free time unfortunatly.
     
  7. Noble Zarkon

    Noble Zarkon Elite Quattromaster - Emperor (BTS) Super Moderator Hall of Fame Staff Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Well done, checked your save and all ok.

    Come join us in the Lurkers Thread!
     
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  8. Cactus Pete

    Cactus Pete Deity GOTM Staff

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    Game was fun and challenging. Appreciative that I had the opportunity to join the team.

    Many thanks NZ. Hope you'll consider another one. Unfortunately, COVID isn't going away tomorrow.

    I'd be interested to know what you two perceive to be reason the faster teams beat us.
     
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  9. Folket

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    I have not looked at their games. I may have time to do it tonight. I think we lost 7 turns from mistakes in the very end but that would probably not win us the game. We also overcommited to getting gold.

    In general I think our strategy was sound but we could probably have executed it better. I would not be surprised if other teams found some way to play the first 100 turns better.
     
  10. Folket

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    I think the great library was a mistake. University of Sankore would have given us more over the course of the game and on the track of the priority techs Civil service and Education.
     
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    Congrats on your win. :goodjob:
     
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  13. Folket

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    Thanks! Congratulations on yours as well.
     
  14. Tonny

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    Congrats on the win! :thumbsup:
    I would love to see your summary to compare.:)
     
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  15. RRRaskolnikov

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    I will check our early turns once I have I diggested Fippy's summary. Prolly this week end though since I am loaded with work tmr.

    Thanks for this guys! @Folket @Cactus Pete @Noble Zarkon
     
  16. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Very impressive win for you guys especially considering the staffing issues, and missing out on a player of RRR’s caliber for much of the game. Great game!

    edit: oh..and Kait does a wonderful write-up comparison of HS v. PR in the Homies thread. You need to go back a few pages to find his first entry.
     
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  17. Folket

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    I gave my view on what we could do better. RRRaskalnikov and Cactus Pete, what are your thought about what we could have done better?
     
  18. Cactus Pete

    Cactus Pete Deity GOTM Staff

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    Interested in having the discussion, but have been waiting for the summary RRR refers to. Is it posted?

    Also, please explain this: "Bulbing Mass Media on turn of victory vote and rushing Broadcasting Tower is Genius. That is a game changer."
     
  19. Fippy

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    AP victory vote still goes thru if MM is bulbed on that same turn.
    While NZ's intention was to make winning by AP impossible by adding a Broadcast Tower ;)
     
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  20. Cactus Pete

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    Thanks, Fippy. Where is your summary?
     

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