Things have been kind of quiet on the Civ3 SGOTM side of the table and with the current epic that is understandable. Without giving anything away about the current game, I thought their could be some discussion about the next game(s). With that in mind, if the mods allow this thread, I propose the following discussions: Whom do you think would make a challenging player civ and what victory condition to make it a challenge? I'm looking for challenges, such as playing a non-scientific civ against a majority of scientific civs with a goal of a space win, or a peace monger against all aggressive AIs with a goal of a Diplo win. Victory conditionsor modifiers that make for a more challenging game) - perhaps no galleys (naval transport) until Caravels or even Galleons -a UN win -a culture win -a 100 city win -first team to stockpile 50K gold -themed games with slightly modified Civs -no golden ages allowed etc... Perhaps we should have Klarius tell us his worst nightmare of an individual game that we could play. If such a thing exists! I would prefer to play more "short" competitions instead of the long ones. Perhaps alternating a quicker game with a longer game. While the current style of game can be enjoyable, the map size with the number of Civs, makes IBT unbearable for most people and it has dragged on for some time. I loved the idea, perhaps their is some way to have a similiar game that doesn't get bogged down.