SGOTM3 Rome - Announcement and Sign Up Thread.
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handy900
Deity
Hi Mad-Bax & Alan.
Just back from a wonderful vacation & ready to rumble.
I'm happy to lead a team into mediocrity once again if you are looking for team leader volunteers. Ted Jackson PM'd me that he'd like to play on my team again (glutton for punishment I guess
). So, could you place Ted & I on a team, along with reserved #3 and #4 spots on the same team?
I'll PM the 4-player team roster to you as soon as we hook it up. Then you can place #5 & #6 as you see fit to balance us out. I realize the game begins pretty soon.
Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in to run the SGOTM.
Just back from a wonderful vacation & ready to rumble.
I'm happy to lead a team into mediocrity once again if you are looking for team leader volunteers. Ted Jackson PM'd me that he'd like to play on my team again (glutton for punishment I guess
). So, could you place Ted & I on a team, along with reserved #3 and #4 spots on the same team? I'll PM the 4-player team roster to you as soon as we hook it up. Then you can place #5 & #6 as you see fit to balance us out. I realize the game begins pretty soon.
Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in to run the SGOTM.
handy900
Deity
mad-bax said:Hi handy,
Ted has been poachedsorry. I do have a team for you to lead however.
No problem. In Ted's place I've agreed to take T_McC onto my team, despite the fact that he is at best a regent level
player.
handy900
Deity
Mad-Bax,
Just to clarify the variant, it sounds like we can never make peace, and will eventually be in an Always War game. The main difference between AW & OW appears to be that you get 20 free turns before you have to declare war (except for the first civ you meet).
Say we meet 3 civs on the same turn. We declare on Civ A immediately, then declare on civ B 20 turns later, and civ C 40 turns (20+20) later. Correct?
2. You must declare war on the first Civ you meet before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time.
3. You must stay at war with that Civ until one of you have been eliminated.
4. You must declare war on the second Civ you met on the same turn that the first Civ was eliminated or 20 turns has elapsed (whichever happens sooner).
Just to clarify the variant, it sounds like we can never make peace, and will eventually be in an Always War game. The main difference between AW & OW appears to be that you get 20 free turns before you have to declare war (except for the first civ you meet).
Say we meet 3 civs on the same turn. We declare on Civ A immediately, then declare on civ B 20 turns later, and civ C 40 turns (20+20) later. Correct?
2. You must declare war on the first Civ you meet before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time.
3. You must stay at war with that Civ until one of you have been eliminated.
4. You must declare war on the second Civ you met on the same turn that the first Civ was eliminated or 20 turns has elapsed (whichever happens sooner).
handy900
Deity
me again...
Reading through, I noticed coletite and Tinkez wanted to play on team handy again.
As long as these guys are up for the variant, feel free to add them to Team Handy with T_McC, Yom & myself unless youve already assigned these guys elsewhere. Id be happy to play with them again.
Given this is PTW where armies are not nearly as useful as in C3C, the variant will be difficult indeed. Should be good fun.
Here's an idea to simplify the trading questions I've seen in the posts. If you want a tech the AI has, you must ask "what do you want for tech X". You can either accept or decline the offer. If the AI will not offer it, that's your tough luck. This will eliminate the exploit of asking what the AI wants on one turn, then offering the AI a little less the next turn. A sneaky way to haggle. Won't matter too much anyway... OWE will pretty much make us tech laggards after the first few turns, and once we are @ war we can't trade. Might get a WM off someone for cash that will be helpful.
FWIW, I just as soon forbid trading, after all, we're xenophobic.
Reading through, I noticed coletite and Tinkez wanted to play on team handy again.
As long as these guys are up for the variant, feel free to add them to Team Handy with T_McC, Yom & myself unless youve already assigned these guys elsewhere. Id be happy to play with them again.
Given this is PTW where armies are not nearly as useful as in C3C, the variant will be difficult indeed. Should be good fun.
Here's an idea to simplify the trading questions I've seen in the posts. If you want a tech the AI has, you must ask "what do you want for tech X". You can either accept or decline the offer. If the AI will not offer it, that's your tough luck. This will eliminate the exploit of asking what the AI wants on one turn, then offering the AI a little less the next turn. A sneaky way to haggle. Won't matter too much anyway... OWE will pretty much make us tech laggards after the first few turns, and once we are @ war we can't trade. Might get a WM off someone for cash that will be helpful.
FWIW, I just as soon forbid trading, after all, we're xenophobic.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
I think you're right handy, this could easily turn into an AW game. The "anti-sandbagging" measures in MB's rules are a little different from the NOW variant described by Arathorn. Using Arathorn's guide, you could conceivably form some alliances, and the last civ you meet could be a "friend" until all others have been eliminated.handy900 said:
The thing that makes this appear more challenging is that once you meet the second civ, you've basically got 20 turns to eliminate the first before you find yourself fighting 2 civs. Hmmmm... multifront wars at Emperor level...
This variant is a sure-fire formula for a slugfest.
handy900
Deity
scoutsout said:Hmmmm... multifront wars at Emperor level...
This variant is a sure-fire formula for a slugfest.
A two front war @ emporer on PTW is going to be a tough nut to crack.
The early war will force your GA with few cities, assuming we have iron. OWE with no iron would be a really tough nut. No iron, no horses, forget it. I don't think Mad-Bax will do that to us. But still, it's the classic AW early game question. Do we explore to see where the iron & horses are and risk contact? Or do we back settle away from where we think the AI is (based on the mimi map) so we don't make contact & pray we find Iron in our hinterlands.
Open invitation to all... if you have not played an war variant, there are lots of SG links to ongoing & completed AW SGs in my signature.
Be prepared to do self-research and be a full age behind in techs and at war with everyone. IIRC we were so far behind in one game (HNDY03 maybe?) we researched a tech in 4 turns with a lone scientist while we were in anarchy. 
I. Larkin
Deity
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I thoudht that Territory does not included in Fraxis. Only population. (If happy=unhappy it is simply total number integrated over time. I read your thread, and as far as I can see you delay with settler Factory, and stop it early compare to other teams, (we did not manage at all).tao said:
I will put at SGOTM2 discussion new picture with some events marked.
M60A3TTS
Ex-treadhead
Not to get caught up over the contact rule, but to clarify: You have a scenario where the Aztecs, Babylonians, and English all appear on the same IBT. Do you declare on the first civ you open a diplo screen with, or is it the first civ that popped into view during the IBT, or can you choose any one of the three to declare on?
IMHO the real challenge is the xenophobic part. In AW games, you make scores of slaves and conquer cities with nice Wonders. In the variant, you have to build up your military and at the same time build lots of settlers and workers.scoutsout said:I think you're right handy, this could easily turn into an AW game. ......... The thing that makes this appear more challenging is that once you meet the second civ, you've basically got 20 turns to eliminate the first before you find yourself fighting 2 civs. Hmmmm... multifront wars at Emperor level...
This variant is a sure-fire formula for a slugfest.
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Hi Sir_Ortin 
Thankyou for your sign-up.
To help me place you in the best team for you, please could you let me know.
1. The version of software you would like to play. (PTW or Vanilla 1.29f)
2. The level you feel comfortable playing. (Chieftain to Deity)
3. Whether you would like to play the variant (Not recommended for regent level and below).
Thanks very much.
Thankyou for your sign-up.
To help me place you in the best team for you, please could you let me know.
1. The version of software you would like to play. (PTW or Vanilla 1.29f)
2. The level you feel comfortable playing. (Chieftain to Deity)
3. Whether you would like to play the variant (Not recommended for regent level and below).
Thanks very much.
