SGOTM8 - Ivan

[I. Larkin]

@Ivan, fine by me. 48 hours is custom.
It's a vital turn this one. I don't know who our best trader is, I think that one should play at least this turn. (I was able to trade contact like that one game). Getting maps is probably the highest priority.

Certanly me!
I did it as I want and we will get all WM and all Techs.
We may revolt this turn also.
1) China; 235 g for wm+14gpt
2) China; peace treaty 20 g
3) Greek; contact with Japan: WM+178
4) China; Republic: WM+69
5) Greeks; WM+Romans contact: Rep+31g
6) China; Engl Contact+37: 7gpt
7) English Math+WM: Greek contact+WM+52 g
8) Greeks; 169g: Math+WM
9) Trade all WMs
10) Embassy in Rome 85 g (see picture)
11)Rome; MA vs Japan+ Construction+21g: 6gpt
12) English; Poly+56gold for construction
13) Revolt; 5 turn Anarchy
14) Poly to Grees for all their gold.
Romans: Alliance vs English for gpt? They cant pay. Will wait and see.
Idea of the trade was to make China stronger.

 

[King Alexander]

@Ivan: you'll finish your turns tomorrow?

I must admit, you're an EXCELLENT trader

btw: look there, how good land Rome has! :jealous:

P.S.: Ivan, you can play your rest of the turns, "normally".

If Adrian wishes to play after you, it's also fine by me.

We must sign the RoP with Greece, when we ENTER inside their borders, and BEFORE we hit "enter" for the next turn.

Yes, we can't go to war with China right now, but after a while, with a good SoD of archers, we'll try. IMHO, we should settle 1 city between Miami, and settle the next ON the horses(we fill more gaps this way, since Greece could always settle there and "steel" our horses, AND to avoid having our horses pillaged for everyone, later on).

NOTE: We can trade for our TM with England, BEFORE hitting enter, THIS turn(and also, offer our WM: maybe they'll give something --- always offer TM first and then WM). 1g maybe not be much, but every bit we can get is good, and makes the life of our rivals more harsh.

I'm a bit worried for the Greek settler/hoplite combo: are we sure that we don't need to wake our 2 workers to also block their way? It wouldn't be good if we lost our dyes.

 

[conehead234]

I'm back, nice trading Ivan.

 

[nerovats]

Very good trading indeed, I tried it myself, and only got republic and TM's.

I might post some trading contests to learn more about this. I believe Moonsinger did this once. Was great succes.

 

[AdrianE]

My internet was down this weekend. I did not have a chance to check in here from home.

Nice trading. However it is extremely poor succession game ettiquette to play out of sequence like this.

 

[I. Larkin]

My internet was down this weekend. I did not have a chance to check in here from home.
Nice trading. However it is extremely poor succession game ettiquette to play out of sequence like this.

I agree. What can I (we) do for you? Would you like to play more turns from now?

 

[I. Larkin]

I played few more turn, will finish soon.
Adrian, K-Alex, please, discuss who will play?
At anarchy things were uneventful:
China have lost two Cities(Geeks destrtoy them).
settle on Horses.
See viking's border. But can't make contact trough the channel.
Got barbarian uprising. Everybody (except greeks) have Currency.

 

[King Alexander]

@Ivan: As I've said, if Adrian wishes to play, it's fine with me. If he hasn't time, I'll play after you finish your turns.

So, have we secured the horses? You settled ON the horses, from what I've read in your brief log? That's good.

We still could try for the Iron, as we haven't anything to lose: if Greece's borders will expand before we reach there, then we'll have a settler ready for a future war, OR we can join him in another city.

Where did you see the Viking's borders? It's near us? They're always dangerous with that amphibious unit they have.

P.S.: please, post suggestions after you play, as well as all the Team members.

 

[conehead234]

Since we got the horses now, lets go for the iron. Then we can focus on taking our continent.

 

[King Alexander]

Ok, here's a few suggestions:

1) We should get Currency from China for three reasons: a) we'll enter the Middle Ages, b) only China will give us Currency so cheap (7gpt + 18g) and, c) China stands a good chance that it'll be destroyed by Greece soon(only their capital is left) if the war doesn't stop in the next couple of turns, so we won't have to pay our gpt.

2) We haven't traded for TM and WM: we still can do it before the next turn(the current turn is incomplete, so there're also other moves).

3) SF and Miami should begin building libraries to expand our borders. Miami's culture could flip Xinjang to us.

4) We could try to claim the Iron, although, we may be a bit late, if Greece will destroy China soon: anyway, why not try? Do you think, it'll infuriate Greece to settle so close or we'll be "safe" if we trade with them gpt(say, with trades, loans, etc...)

5) We could also settle E of SF, 1S from the first dyes near Xinjang: we'll have more luxuries to trade with the other civs, and it'll be one more good reason to try to flip Xinjang to us. Maybe, we should change Washington to settler or not? That Greek settler combo outside Buffalo, may settle W of it, or go to steel the dyes next to Xinjang.

6) We still have 12 turns until our alliance with Rome against Japan expires, so be careful NOT to sign peace with Japan during these turns(unless, Rome signs first, of course).

7) We could park a warrior to the mountain W of SF, to contact the Vikings first: if we're lucky, we could earn some money for trading the contact to the other civs(I'd again stop, once we had contact, to discuss with the Team what it's better to do).

P.S.: Adrian, please reply, if you want to play after Ivan.

 

[I. Larkin]

Ok, here's a few suggestions:

1) We should get Currency from China for three reasons: a) we'll enter the Middle Ages, b) only China will give us Currency so cheap (7gpt + 18g) and, c) China stands a good chance that it'll be destroyed by Greece soon(only their capital is left) if the war doesn't stop in the next couple of turns, so we won't have to pay our gpt.

2) We haven't traded for TM and WM: we still can do it before the next turn(the current turn is incomplete, so there're also other moves).

3) SF and Miami should begin building libraries to expand our borders. Miami's culture could flip Xinjang to us.

4) We could try to claim the Iron, although, we may be a bit late, if Greece will destroy China soon: anyway, why not try? Do you think, it'll infuriate Greece to settle so close or we'll be "safe" if we trade with them gpt(say, with trades, loans, etc...)

5) We could also settle E of SF, 1S from the first dyes near Xinjang: we'll have more luxuries to trade with the other civs, and it'll be one more good reason to try to flip Xinjang to us. Maybe, we should change Washington to settler or not? That Greek settler combo outside Buffalo, may settle W of it, or go to steel the dyes next to Xinjang.

6) We still have 12 turns until our alliance with Rome against Japan expires, so be careful NOT to sign peace with Japan during these turns(unless, Rome signs first, of course).

7) We could park a warrior to the mountain W of SF, to contact the Vikings first: if we're lucky, we could earn some money for trading the contact to the other civs(I'd again stop, once we had contact, to discuss with the Team what it's better to do).

P.S.: Adrian, please reply, if you want to play after Ivan.

1) We may wait few turns to see what will happend. I belive greeks will drive China to the sea, but will not take their Island City. Currency will be even cheaper in this case. Another reason for delay is that i have no idea what research next? Engineering?
2) Yes, please.
3) Yes, I send all worker north to imrove terrain.
4) I am affraid that greeks will declare us soon anyway.
5) it is hard question. I think eveybody should discuss it.
Main thing to deside: will we cave to Grees or not?
6)Sure. No peace with Japan until MA expires. note, that they have some fleet and capture Lutecia (rome) already.
Boston may be their next target. Anyhow we must build archers to claim more at peace treaty. (Lutecia?)
7) Yes, it is a good idea.
one more Wonder. will we continue GW in Boston or will try to get HG? HG much better, but I prefer to get GW for sure.
Re: ps Lets wait 24 hours before Adrian reply. hope he will not take my moves as offence.
Ivan.

 

[nerovats]

Ok, here's a few suggestions:

1) We should get Currency from China for three reasons: a) we'll enter the Middle Ages, b) only China will give us Currency so cheap (7gpt + 18g) and, c) China stands a good chance that it'll be destroyed by Greece soon(only their capital is left) if the war doesn't stop in the next couple of turns, so we won't have to pay our gpt.

won´t that give us a rep hit?

Greeks will probably start looking in at our terrain soon. Settling near the iron will invoke them even more. Buy currency from china is probably a good idea. China won´t recover from this so give them our money in stead of helping a strong civ. We should keep some close to the other continents in the hope someone passes by.

 

[King Alexander]

won´t that give us a rep hit?

No, why should it? It isn't our fault if China is destroyed. Besides, China has 1 more island city.

 

[King Alexander]

1) We may wait few turns to see what will happend. I belive greeks will drive China to the sea, but will not take their Island City. Currency will be even cheaper in this case. Another reason for delay is that i have no idea what research next? Engineering?

Alright, let's wait a couple of turns, if Currency will be cheaper in case China is lfet with only 1 city.

The point is that, all the other Civs(except Greece for the time being), are now researching an MA tech: we wouldn't want to fall behind in the tech race.

If we could claim the Iron, I'd say to research towards Chivalry, a bit later, but as things are, I'm not sure.

We WOULD want to research towards Invention in the case we cannot have the Iron(longbows): we HAVE to take on Greece at some point, and the thing is that, ALL Civs have ONLY 1 source of Iron, so we cannot even trade for it!!!
We should build a gazillion archers to upgrade them, once we learn Invention...
On the other hand, we also want to build Copernicus Observatory to trigger our Golden Age, so we need to trade(or research) for Astronomy.

I STROGLY suggest to research Engineering OR even Currency(now) with a single scientist at New York: when we'll trade for Currency, our gpt will suffer even more, and we'll have to raise the lux soon, when our cities will grow. We also want to maintain more units. 10% science is not helping at this point.

4) I am affraid that greeks will declare us soon anyway.

If China's capital will fell within the next few turns, we stand almost no chance of claiming the Iron, anyway, since it'll build temples and libraries in the 2 cities nearby of the Iron: their terrain is already improved.

So, the Team doesn't want to try for the Iron? Maybe Greece will tolerate us if we cave in it's demands, at least, until we build some knights... We can only hope...

5) it is hard question. I think eveybody should discuss it.

IMHO, we should claim the territory there: we'll have more luxuries to trade for techs, and besides, WHY leave it to Greece to make them even more stronger? They'll trade with these dyes also.
If we'll not go after the Iron, then we should settle there with the next settler.

Main thing to deside: will we cave to Grees or not?

IMHO, YES, we should cave: we cannot face any attack from Greece right now. If we build plenty of archers, then, we could say no, but don't forget that Greece will also have swords and Frankish Axemen very soon(both require Iron).

6)Sure. No peace with Japan until MA expires. note, that they have some fleet and capture Lutecia (rome) already.
Boston may be their next target. Anyhow we must build archers to claim more at peace treaty. (Lutecia?)

Ok, I'll build mainly archers: other cities could build some spears later on.

one more Wonder. will we continue GW in Boston or will try to get HG? HG much better, but I prefer to get GW for sure.

Let's go for the GW, BUT, we should make sure that we'll get Copernicus, in that case.

Re: ps Lets wait 24 hours before Adrian reply. hope he will not take my moves as offence.
Ivan.

I admit that I couldn't have traded so brilliant myself, as you did. That's where I need to improve to be more "balanced" at the higher levels. IMHO, your move helped our Team MUCH(don't forget: this is a competition), so, I think Adrian also realized that.

Another thing: IMHO, we SHOULD make a second gems colony, to trade with Greece! It'll reduce the chances of them to attack us MUCH.

P.S.: we certainly have to decide for some things, before continuing playing.

 

[conehead234]

We really need to get this iron, we cannot trade for it. Invention is still a while away. We need swords now to take on greece. We don't want greece to get stronger units. We have nothing to loose by trying to grab the iron, we can only win.

 

[King Alexander]

We really need to get this iron, we cannot trade for it. Invention is still a while away. We need swords now to take on greece. We don't want greece to get stronger units. We have nothing to loose by trying to grab the iron, we can only win.

If we sign a RoP AND trade or gift Greece our gems(from second colony), then Greece won't attack us that easily.
Of course, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't cave in Greece's demands for a while, but still, if we had the Iron, we could live with it...

Greece will also try to settle the nearby islands, for some period, so, we have good chances that they won't attack us.

The question is: can we claim the Iron before Greece builds cultural improvements nearby? Our chances are small, BUT, we haven't anything to lose, but only win, IMHO.

If that city flips to Greece(despite building culture there), well, Greece will claim the Iron, anyway. I say, at least, make an attempt NOW, and if we fail, join the settler somewhere or have him nearby for a future setttling.

P.S.: I couldn't believe in my eyes, when I saw that all civs have only one source of Iron...

 

[AdrianE]

Go ahead and play King Alex.

 

[AdrianE]

We now need to start expanding our military. Archers and catapults are required and lots of them. Horesemen as soon as the horses are hooked up. We might as well try for the iron. We also need to settle on the dyes as suggested. The second gems colony is a good idea.

Complete the great wall. That will help us defend against the greeks if needed.

 

[King Alexander]

Ok, Adrian, I'll play next.

I have to wait to see what have we decided for the next techs(MA techs), general strategy.

btw: don't forget that artillery has lethal land/see bombardment in this game, so, it'll help us a lot.

P.S.: I also agree with Adrian, to build more military, as we're very weak.

 

[Gyathaar]

btw: don't forget that artillery has lethal land/see bombardment in this game, so, it'll help us a lot.

Artillery doesnt have lethal bombard.. all airplanes has lethal sea, and f15, cruise missiles and stealth bombers has lethal land bombard in addition