Shadow Game: Immortal w/ Sitting Bull
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Well, you have 6 turns of golden age left and are in Caste, so the obvious solution would be to assign three artists in Chaco Canyon for 5 turns and generate the missing culture points to claim the two remaining tiles necessary for the irrigation chain. What's the trade off? Since unlike in other cities you don't seem to plan GP generation there, artist pollution in this case doesn't matter. Population will be whipped into units at some point. So you'd only lose some commerce from coast tiles and delay growth a bit. I tend not to calculate such things and just go for it, as the sight of that irrigated rice tile will be very rewarding
Yeah that was my mistake (whoops!). Luckily Chaco not far from the needed border pop.
In terms of other worker priorities, I might chop those 2 forests in Parthian into a lighthouse. The tiles can then be farmed.
All good Nick, I missed it for multiple turns, and now it sounds recoverable at not much cost
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calculations we miss the PR maths wizard Tonny now 
Cahokia gains the most from working more tiles again, but will all other cities be fine?
Kumbi looks like the weakest
situation so maybe it's worth shrinking there now and getting this GM first.
Other cities have to reduce their output as well so they are on 2 turns , PP even drops all scientists this turn. No biggie..can reload on food.
Djenne i wouldn't shrink and use 3 scientists.
Step by step guiding on gpp can get time consuming (was by far the most discussed topic in sgotm).
Other stuff, you can cancel the big resource deal with Izzy and sell just one for 8gpt. Sal 60g literature looks good.
calculations we miss the PR maths wizard Tonny now Cahokia gains the most from working more tiles again, but will all other cities be fine?
Kumbi looks like the weakest
situation so maybe it's worth shrinking there now and getting this GM first.Spoiler :
, PP even drops all scientists this turn. No biggie..can reload on food.Djenne i wouldn't shrink and use 3 scientists.
Step by step guiding on gpp can get time consuming (was by far the most discussed topic in sgotm).
Other stuff, you can cancel the big resource deal with Izzy and sell just one for 8gpt. Sal 60g literature looks good.
How many GP do you want here? 2xGS and 2xGM?
Golden age has 4 turns left.
3x60=180GPP. So you are unlikely to get more than 2 before end of the golden age. You would likely switch out of pacfism on the final turn of the golden age to avoid anarchy. So 180 more GPP is is maybe best for each city. You would then be able to get 3x2x2=12GPP a turn but for GM's you would need a market. Would you really stay in Caste?
Running great people outside of a golden age is never great. Shrinking cities is not great either on a food poor map. If you really want a GM make sure one of those cities get's the next great person or it will never happen. Then maybe a GS in capital and other GS city can run 2 scientists. If you let all cities complete at same time I think it's worked out on culture. So if you change nothing you will get a GS in capital and a city or 2 will shrink.
Golden age has 4 turns left.
3x60=180GPP. So you are unlikely to get more than 2 before end of the golden age. You would likely switch out of pacfism on the final turn of the golden age to avoid anarchy. So 180 more GPP is is maybe best for each city. You would then be able to get 3x2x2=12GPP a turn but for GM's you would need a market. Would you really stay in Caste?
Running great people outside of a golden age is never great. Shrinking cities is not great either on a food poor map. If you really want a GM make sure one of those cities get's the next great person or it will never happen. Then maybe a GS in capital and other GS city can run 2 scientists. If you let all cities complete at same time I think it's worked out on culture. So if you change nothing you will get a GS in capital and a city or 2 will shrink.
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Plan was to stay in Caste & Paci for 3 GS and 2 GM.
Just 1 turn of anarchy later for slavery & theo switch.
I agree that usually you don't want so much farming outside golden ages, but with PHI it's always golden age 
It's a shadow aka learning game, with more experience cities could have been bigger already and ambitious plans might be completed quicker.
But imo this also works..i stayed in caste in some of my own games as well.
Just 1 turn of anarchy later for slavery & theo switch.
I agree that usually you don't want so much
farming outside golden ages, but with PHI it's always golden age It's a shadow aka learning game, with more experience cities could have been bigger already and ambitious
plans might be completed quicker.But imo this also works..i stayed in caste in some of my own games as well.
Okay that changes plans a bit.
So 800 needed in best city. 540/60=9 turns.
700/600/500/400/300 Maybe pick city most likely to shrink to go first. Danger is if you let the capital go first the shrinking cities will just hold others up. 60-48-36-24 for each pop/specialist you lose.
So PP should of been shrunk last turn to get a GM sooner. Then you had less meddling to do this turn. If you are going to shrink a city just lose all tiles and use 100% specialists. Usually turn before it shrinks.
KS will struggle here. As if you let it go last you are looking at 11 or so turns making it final great person. It will not match your capital. Which has the greater culture. Maybe just accept this and stop it from shrinking.Might even be better to let the other cities finish first then add scientists to the capital later to get final great person? Or let the capital finish and let it complete another in 12-13 turns?
So 800 needed in best city. 540/60=9 turns.
700/600/500/400/300 Maybe pick city most likely to shrink to go first. Danger is if you let the capital go first the shrinking cities will just hold others up. 60-48-36-24 for each pop/specialist you lose.
So PP should of been shrunk last turn to get a GM sooner. Then you had less meddling to do this turn. If you are going to shrink a city just lose all tiles and use 100% specialists. Usually turn before it shrinks.
KS will struggle here. As if you let it go last you are looking at 11 or so turns making it final great person. It will not match your capital. Which has the greater culture. Maybe just accept this and stop it from shrinking.Might even be better to let the other cities finish first then add scientists to the capital later to get final great person? Or let the capital finish and let it complete another in 12-13 turns?
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I'm very grateful for the time you're spending, thank you.
thanks also Gumbolt, it's a good tip
I'll try to play more often through this stage, so we can get through it in a reasonable time
and few 
, and no starvation
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It certainly is a bit complicated.
One thing you can do is disband surplus DS/swords/cats because you won't use them, you have enough MP units, your power rating is too low to scare anyone and they're costing cash in maintenance which you'll need for research and HA upgrades.
GMs are for trade missions to subsidise 100% research and HA upgrades.
How many GP are you looking to produce?
You've got 5 turns to complete Nationalism (?6 after GA ends in 3) and you can't research gunpowder until you've got education.
Also worth considering how many HAs you're likely to build before you get miltrad/gpowder for cuirs.
In terms of GP production you've got:
Cahioka 294+ 48*3 (sci instead of GH mine) +36*n turns (assuming you stay in caste and pac) GS
PP 288 + 36*3 + 27*n turns GS
MC 288 + 48*3 +36*n turns.GM
Dj 276 + 36*3 +27*n turns GS
Need 400gpp, 500gpp, 600 gpp ?700gpp.
One thing you can do is disband surplus DS/swords/cats because you won't use them, you have enough MP units, your power rating is too low to scare anyone and they're costing cash in maintenance which you'll need for research and HA upgrades.
GMs are for trade missions to subsidise 100% research and HA upgrades.
How many GP are you looking to produce?
You've got 5 turns to complete Nationalism (?6 after GA ends in 3) and you can't research gunpowder until you've got education.
Also worth considering how many HAs you're likely to build before you get miltrad/gpowder for cuirs.
In terms of GP production you've got:
Cahioka 294+ 48*3 (sci instead of GH mine) +36*n turns (assuming you stay in caste and pac) GS
PP 288 + 36*3 + 27*n turns GS
MC 288 + 48*3 +36*n turns.GM
Dj 276 + 36*3 +27*n turns GS
Need 400gpp, 500gpp, 600 gpp ?700gpp.
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Not worried about Edu bulbs, PP behind Cahokia has enuf power.
We can use more specialists in all 4 remaining cities now
If we think Djenne would ultimately not get there, we could also do this:
..and next turn
You can see which city produces them first if they are on equal turn numbers (on top of the screen).
Djenne goes last so all other cities adjust.
One more GS is easily worth some shrinking.
Pic for Mound City used as example on reducing them (next turn) so Djenne goes first:
Great Merchant should look for the TOA city in China now.
Trade mission income is based on potential trade route value between your cap and that city (TOA boosts them).
For pigswill: we want 2 Edu bulbs and 1 Lib bulb
I think fiddling around with several cities produces not just great peoples..but also great learning value.
We are willing to continue beyond that golden age (PHI), and take one turn of anarchy later for slavery & theo.
power.We can use more specialists in all 4 remaining cities now
If we think Djenne would ultimately not get there, we could also do this:
Spoiler :
Spoiler :
Djenne goes last so all other cities adjust.
One more GS is easily worth some shrinking.
Pic for Mound City used as example on reducing them (next turn) so Djenne goes first:
Spoiler :
Great Merchant should look for the TOA city in China now.
Trade mission income is based on potential trade route value between your cap and that city (TOA boosts them).
For pigswill: we want 2 Edu bulbs and 1 Lib bulb
I think fiddling around with several cities produces not just great peoples..but also great learning value.
We are willing to continue beyond that golden age (PHI), and take one turn of anarchy later for slavery & theo.
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Fippy your micro has always been better than mine. Certainly want first GS from Djenne, probably second from Cahioka so it can go back to working as many tiles as poss with buro bonus, probably want third GS from PP before GM from MC. Probably worth playing and posting one turn at a time to tweak GP production.
Its possible that you may be able to trade for gunpowder after educ but no guarantee as AI often prefer banking
Its possible that you may be able to trade for gunpowder after educ but no guarantee as AI often prefer banking
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Ok, so GM will go searching Chinese cities for ToA, then make a trade route. T129 will see Djenne maxed on scientists, other cities increased specialists. Then, T130 Djenne will run 4, and other cities will back off to ensure Djenne pops first.
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