[BTS] Shadow Monarch Breannus

[civac]

I went back to the issue of GPP in my last paragraph. For the general case, I neglected GPP because they do not scale. As mentioned you want to make GPP to enable your game plan. Key bulbs, trade missions or an engineers for a wonder if you can get one. But running some scientists in city #17 with one sheep resource for food will never amount to anything.

Agree with your last paragraph.

Edit: You can bulb CoL with a scientist?

 

[Stibi-shimi]

I went back to the issue of GPP in my last paragraph.

I see. I apologize for neglecting that.

Edit: You can bulb CoL with a scientist?

You're right. I was pulling techs out of a hat to demonstrate the principle.

 

[sampsa]

2 now might be better than 15 in the future. Also, you should try to be as efficient as possible in -generation, partly due to diminishing returns. It is discussed in this post and the following ones: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/ideas-regarding-burning-food-surplus.669421/#post-16077569

 

[sampsa]

So to be clear what I mean is: if you use a GS to bulb philo, win music and start a golden age with the GA, then generate 3 GS during that, you'll be gaining nearly 50 per scientist. Generating more -points outside of the golden age will drag the average per scientist down, so you should do that only if nothing else is better. Usually, growing as big as possible is better, in anticipation of the golden age, when you gain a lot from having big cities as you can run more specialists. Depends a bit on the availability of -resources and trades of course.

Many players like to go for an academy with the first GS, which makes the immediate payback a bit worse, but long term payback better. Which one is better depends on the chosen grand strategy.

 

[Stibi-shimi]

2 now might be better than 15 in the future. Also, you should try to be as efficient as possible in -generation, partly due to diminishing returns. It is discussed in this post and the following ones: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/ideas-regarding-burning-food-surplus.669421/#post-16077569

Sampsa, I remember reading this post as the basis of my belief that using your first GS for a Golden Age was a good strategy when you had Caste System and could move from mines and low tiles to specialists. That is, the Golden Age was good precisely for generating , in order to convert to with bulbing. But maybe I have read you wrong. So wouldn't I want to wait to use my first GS for a golden age once I get Philo, so I can max out ?

 

[Stibi-shimi]

T146

I left that scientist where he was (forgot about him), traded Calendar with Monty for Alphabet, and then bulbed Philosophy. Traded resources with Monty too and boosted the happy cap. Will grow population and what, work on GA now? As well as finishing construction and pumping cats.

Spoiler :

 

[konata_LS]

If you want to do an Engineering attack against Shaka, just start to whip/chop Maces + crossbows + trebs + pikes. Some HAs/Knights would be useful to pillage Shaka's metal or to capture his workers.

The screenshots show you're still building Gallic Warriors and Spears -> so you have Civil Service but not Machinery, I guess?

Engineering attack around 700AD is still possible. But the economic situation of your empire is not very optimistic.

Whipping that Worker in Gergovia would be better than slow-building him.

Shaka looks a little weird: he's plotting for many years but haven't DoW on you ?... Maybe instead of plotting, he might be already at war with some unkown AIs?...

 

[pigswill]

29bpt at 0% research seems a bit on the low side. Could build some research instead of gallic warriors to get you to construction and currency or its going to take a long time to get to engineering.

 

[Stibi-shimi]

29bpt at 0% research seems a bit on the low side. Could build some research instead of gallic warriors to get you to construction and currency or its going to take a long time to get to engineering.

I think I recently traded something for Alphabet and haven't switched production over, but yes this is what I should do.

 

[Heathcliff]

Engineering attack around 700AD is still possible.

How when it is 720AD and he doesnt have construction ?

Also you should have gotten currency a long time ago.
It give one traderoute in every city, with 9 cities that is maybe 20 gold per turn extra for free.
If you would have expanded more slowly then maybe you could have gotten currency 300 BC.
Then you could have had those extra 20 gold per turn for 1000 years.

 

[konata_LS]

@Heathcliff
Eh... maybe I wasn't clear at #87 . I wanted to say "some people use trebs to attacking AIs in 700AD, but OP's economic situation is too far from trebs".

Using trebs (= before Cannons) to conquer one or two AIs is certainly possible, such as Lain and @ krikav (Lain did it in his Darius game , krikav did it in a recent Cathy game ). Evidently, Lain and krikav's economic situation around 700AD is much better than OP's one. <--hopefully this time I express more clearly.

Without the tech trade screen, it's hard to know if OP gets Machinery or CS (and that was what made me confused at #87). Agree with you about Currency.