When is Trump going to get the National Guard to crack down on this violence involving Mormons?
Shooter at Mormon Church: Maga Trumper
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danjuno
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I sure MAGAworld will have the same sense of outrage and call to action they did after the Charlie Kirk shooting.
Angst
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i think somewhat recently there was a shooting that got media jerked as peaceful innocent maga getting shot by some leftist, and that he was a leftist was really important, but in miming your memory here i just can't to remember the instance or draw any bigger picture about political violence in the united states
i wish i was smarter but instead i choose not to form a bigger picture
Manfred Belheim
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"A MAGA" is just "a Republican" right? Can't you just say that? It sounds a lot less stupid.
No a MAGA is a Trump supporter. They could be Republican, Libertarian, evangelical or Nazi
Lexicus
Deity
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as though a million Lincoln Project donors cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
Strong Reaction
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Well the same could be said about Charlie Kirk's shooter, and if my memory serves me you failed to make a similar point about him. Tyler Robinson was a leftist so what? Yet the right wing politicians and media wailed and gnashed their teeth calling for war, a national divorce, saying things like you started this and we will finish this. Many made a call to outlaw the Democratic party etc. Tyler Robinson is not the representative for every left leaning person in the US. yet many demonized the left as a whole because of his actions. It seems a bit disingenuous for you to make the point about one and not the other.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
no.
why would i?
i didn't pick the damn name!
Trump choose MAGA as his 2016 campaign slogan and it stuck quickly to those for whom he was the cult leader. The use of the term has morphed from a slogan into a generic term for the entire Trump movement and all it embraces.
Gori the Grey
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You are not wrong that, as a verbal formulation, "a MAGA" is a barbarism. If you slot in the words that make up the acronym, you are left with the phrase "a Make America Great Again," which makes no sense because "Make America Great Again" is an imperative verbal construction rather than a noun. So one would want "a MAGA enthusiast" or something along those lines.
But, as others have said, someone who is a MAGA enthusiast is not "just" a Republican. The words "Democrat" and "Republican" refer to long-standing political parties in the United States. The people who identify themselves in connection with one particular Republican candidate's campaign slogan form a social movement and not just a political party. There is considerable overlap, of course. Trump ran as a Republican. Many traditional Republican voters respond favorably to Trump and the initiatives that cluster under his "Make America Great Again" slogan; few Democrats do. But MAGA, as a slogan for a larger social movement, transcends Republican politics. It transcends politics because Trump the person has turned out many who haven't been bothered to vote in the past; to that extent it is a cult of personality rather than a political party. It is a social movement in part because what draws people to it are things that fall outside of traditional political concerns. This shooter flew a "**** Joe Biden" flag from the back of his truck. "**** Joe Biden" is not a plank in a political platform; instead, it simply reflects an animosity.
Why label this shooter in connection with MAGA, specifically? Well, aside from the fact that that is how he chooses to identify himself (i.e. he didn't fly a flag with an elephant on it), Trump knows that he is leading a social movement at least as much as he is leading a political party. So his own rhetoric--calling the left "the enemy within," e.g.--may be inflaming citizen-on-citizen violence. So, although there are entities that track politically motivated violence (that have been able to establish that most such violence emerges from the right), we may now need to track what share of that violence is stoked by Trump, Trumpism, the MAGA mentality specifically, rather than just by general right-wing extremism.
In this case, although the shooter is a MAGA enthusiast, on the state of the evidence as we have it now, the killings seem as though they might have been motivated by a more personal, non-political beef with Mormonism. So it might resemble the Kirk shooter's motives: [animosity drawn from personal experience] + [general right-wing fetishization of firearms] and only a little bit of [Trump's permission to treat fellow citizens with a different political opinion as exterminatable enemies.]
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Manfred Belheim
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Okay, but you would classify anyone who voted Republican in recent years as a Trump supporter, right?
EnglishEdward
Deity
Sounds a bit like shorthand for a Hungarian horseman.
Mostly I would guess, but there are conservatives who vote GOP because they won't vote for any Democrat. i am mostly that way regarding Republicans; any Democrat is better than a Republican theses days. It wasn't always so though. Trump's power over the GOP has made what were blurry lines into a deep divide.
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
Did you even look?
Yes. And the FBI is not releasing much on the shooter. The excuse seems to be that he is dead so there won't be a trial and there is no need to spill his secrets.
Klaus Hergersheimer
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look I guess discussing the political alignment of the shooter is inevitable after the killing of Charlie Kirk, I just didn't expect it to see it right there in the lede as if that ought to be par for the course. To that end, the topic to me just sounds like it was created out of spite. But maybe that's unavoidable.
Me I would've thought about the dangers facing the Mormon community. Oh well to each his own.
good luck with the topic.
Me I would've thought about the dangers facing the Mormon community. Oh well to each his own.
good luck with the topic.
Since Trump took over the political scene in the US religious murders have expanded. Jews and Muslims have been the primary targets but as the Christian right has now emerged as a powerful voice, they too have been targeted. With Trump we have entered the age of using violence against anyone perceived as your enemy: race, ethnic background, religion, wealth, political views, classmates. 400 million guns make it easy.
Canadian Bluebeer
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No, TR is also a nutjob. A left-wing nutjob, but still nuts.
Since they haven't released anything, that means everything everyone is saying is guesswork, yes?
There are a lot of guns on both sides.
Yeah, we need the FBI to release their narrative so we have at least one tall tale to eliminate.
