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Shoshone the terrible

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by yasinbin, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    While I agree with you, there are three problems with those.

    Fuhrer would most likely be enough to ban the game in Germany, and quite frankly would probably "hint" (albeit, obviously not true) that Firaxis frigging supports the Nazis (which they don't, I'm just pointing out the obvious)

    While Duce and Generalissimo (as well as Fuhrer) are too "ethnic" titles, However, a good title for Autocracy, which seems to very military-oriented, would be "General" i.e "General Ghandi of India" :lol:

    (although, I can assume that Generalissimo mean General anyway)
     
  2. Viregel

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    That's what I was thinking too. :goodjob:

    As for an Autocracy title, Archduke may work. I agree on having "the Navigator" for Exploration as well, but I think that Aesthetics needs a better title as well.
     
  3. Dogmouth

    Dogmouth King

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    That's what I was thinking. As "captain," should I be taking orders from my Great Admiral?
     
  4. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    Generalissimo sounds the most broadly applicable. Even General would work (quite a few autocratic Generals who are rulers or de facto rulers). The only problem is you want a title that could encompass Hitler and Mussolini, neither of whom were Generals.
     
  5. sendos

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    How about emperor for autocratic leaders?
     
  6. Veras

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    Yeah, I can imagine the problems of having "Fuhrer Casimir III of Poland", "Fuhrer Catherine of Russia", "Fuhrer Elizabeth of England", "Fuhrer Napoleon of France". Worse, imagine a "Fuhrer Shaka of the Zulus" or "Fuhrer Askia of Songhai", defenders of the white power.

    Not that I wanted these suggestions, only mentioning. General would probably be the best.
     
  7. zukenft

    zukenft Xx420NoWondeRHon0rStaRtxX

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    'supreme leader' sounds generic but autocratic enough for me. quite funny if used for (north) korea.
     
  8. Strategist83

    Strategist83 King

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    'Captain' is particularly bad, but then again the whole Exploration tree is bad - seriously, it should still have kept the name 'Commerce' (as well as the picture from Commerce!) and then what is now Commerce should have been named something else.

    'The Terrible' works quite well - Civ V emphasizes the negative aspects of autocracy so the name suits. The obvious more neutral alternative would be simply 'Dictator'.

    'Master/Mistress' should probably have inherited the 'Enlightened' title from Patronage which could do with a better fitting name anyway.
     
  9. Navelgazer

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    "President-for-Life" for Autocracy?
    And I definitely think exploration should simply get "The Explorer," rather than "Captain." (And the Exploration tree is very situational. Most times you won't need it at all, but sometimes it'll be key.)
     
  10. leadtothehead

    leadtothehead Chieftain

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    Yeah finding a generic term for Autocratic leaders is difficult General, Dictator, or Terrible are the ones that seem to fit, generally a Autocratic ruler has a strong nationalist flavor to themselves so the titles they give themselves tend to be unique to the nation they rule (Fuhrer, Duce, Marshal, General, Emperor ect.), , where as President and Chairman are more universally used for rulers of the other two ideologies.
     
  11. JFD

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    Doge is Latin and is literally similar to Duke. The problem with 'Fuhrer' or 'Generalissimo' are the association of Furher with Hitler and the modern negative connotations associated with Autocracy, respectively. That said, they gave President to Freedom, so it's not like there isn't precedent. Generalissimo would probably be more flavoursome than the Terrible anyway.

    Sure you can say that with Duce, but Generalissimo is a very trans-ethnic title.

    That makes no sense. Very few - if any - sovereign Archdukes have been autocratic.

    I think Firaxis chose well with the Terrible. It does not fall victim to the erroneous associations that exist between military or monarchical titles and Autocrats. Actually, they could have just used Autocrat as the title - that was the Russian title.
     
  12. Louis XXIV

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    Well, Generalissimo is a Spanish word, so I wouldn't say trans-ethnic (it is trans-national, though). General is the, um, more general title ;) It would work well and apply for all nationalities.
     
  13. Monkeyfinger

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    shiba :)
     
  14. JFD

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    Generalissimus then. General itself is a bit too common.
     
  15. Louis XXIV

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    Yeah, but it's also common for autocratic leaders. Generalissimo is just "the greatest general" or some other similar superlative, so it would fall under the broader category of General. And you get General El-Sisi in Egypt, General Musharraf in Pakistan, etc. The South Vietnamese junta was just a series of Generals like Duong Van Minh and Nguyen Khanh. On top of that, you have the Generalissimos: Francisco Franco, Chiang Kai-Shek, and Rafael Trujillo.

    That being said, I'm warming up to Generalissimo, but mostly because it's certainly more universal than Doge. It's also a preferred term of both revolutionary leaders (Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, Emilio Aguinaldo, Ihsan Nuri, Mohammad Iqbal Shedai) and Communist leaders (Josef Stalin, Kim Il-Sung, Kim Jong-Il), which I don't view as a problem (certainly, President has been equally used as the title for dictators).

    I think changing Exploration to "The Navigator" is the bigger priority, though.
     
  16. Magma_Dragoon

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    I see your Doge and raise you one Doge Doge

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    Wow, trade ruts, many gpt, much serenissima, wow
    Will chew on bons of saint mark after wrok today
    Wow


    Btw, anyone know how to scale down an image with bb code?
     
  17. JFD

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    Don't get me wrong, I prefer "the Terrible" as it is, because with General being such a - well... you know... general - title it'd be a bit perverse to associate Generals with Autocracy in the same way we tend to (read: Firaxis has tended to) associate Chairmen with Order or Presidents with Freedom; a little underwhelming and possibly offensive to some in the same way giving Piety a title over an epithet would have been.

    Of course, I'm not that happy with "the Terrible," or the system they used any way - it's far too simplified.

    But yes - totally - Exploration should have had "the Navigator."
     
  18. Rolvinator

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    One out of the many, many small flavory features I enjoyed with the RFC Mod for Civ IV was how your title, and indeed the name of your civilization changed according to your size and the social policies you'd picked. I'd really love to have something like that for Civ V as well:)
     
  19. JHoov714

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    For Autocracy I like Dictator or even better, King. That's basically what you are anyway in that situation. Some Kings fought alongside their armies in history, some did not. Some Kings took advice from a council, some did not. Most Kings ultimately could make whatever choices they wanted, whether that always worked out for them or not is another conversation. A fitting title I think. :king:
     
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