Shot in cold blood: Sonya Massey

[Farm Boy]

On pace for 1k a year in a nation of ~336mil?

Lower than I thought it was going to be. For whatever that's worth.

 

[uppi]

You don't get it. When the police roll up to your house you're supposed to click your heels and salute, and they can tell you to do whatever they want and however they want, because this is the goddamned US of A

Ah, but the sudden hand movement required for a snappy salute could make the police officers feel threatened. Better wait until you get the explicit instructions for the salute.

 

[Core Imposter]

Ah, but the sudden hand movement required for a snappy salute could make the police officers feel threatened. Better wait until you get the explicit instructions for the salute.

Sarcastic but also maybe a little true.

 

[Farm Boy]

She was told to deal with it, walked it away from the officers, he followed her around the counter, she ducked, and the water only approached the officers after he has shot her, while groveling and apologizing for whatever insanity the psychopath(literal) dreamt up, in the face.

Didn't watch it, did you? Don't blame you. It won't make you better for having seen it.

Even better when you realize he didn't turn his camera on and almost certainly thought his partner's wasn't on either. Some people just like killing.

 

[Kyriakos]

Just curious, do those police cameras instantly upload (eg in real time) the recording to some internet host? (to make it meaningless to destroy the camera).

 

[tjs282]

Just curious, do those police cameras instantly upload (eg in real time) the recording to some internet host? (to make it meaningless to destroy the camera).

Wiki is a thing:

Police body camera - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

TL-DR is, yes, real-time cloud-storage has been trialled, but isn't (yet) widely used.

But where cops are legally required to wear and operate bodycams throughout their shift, failure to do so starts looking very suspicious.

Also TIL: copcams were first rolled out in the UK...

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Body cams are a triple win.

They expose bad cops who lie.

They exonerate good cops who are targeted by false accusations.

And they deter bad cops who aren't dumb enough to do something on film.

 

[Yeekim]

What did I just watch?
Honestly, demonic possession of the shooter suddenly starts to feel like a plausible explanation.
Even for a thoroughly non- religious person such as myself.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Also TIL: copcams were first rolled out in the UK...

I did not know that either.

I am not sure whether to be proud we were first or embarrassed that we needed to do it.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I did not know that either.

I am not sure whether to be proud we were first or embarrassed that we needed to do it.

Yeah, for all of our faults over here, the UK is way ahead of us when it comes to electronic surveillance. I'm not sure what the motivation behind British police using bodycams would have been. Obviously police misconduct is not unheard of there, but it seems like it's less of a problem than it is for us. So I wonder if the use of bodycams there might have been viewed as a way of gathering evidence, rather than as a way to keep officers on the straight and narrow. One of the concerns about police bodycams over here is that they could violate suspects' rights against "search & seizure" without a warrant, and could also violate victims' rights to privacy (for example, can police use their body-cams when they enter a private home, such as happened with Sonya Massey? what if they record evidence of a crime that they weren't there to investigate and didn't have a warrant?). I have no idea whether or how these issues might apply to police in the UK.

 

[Farm Boy]

Don't worry too much, with all the cameras on everything we're getting closer to "you're recorded 100%" rapidly. Alexa and your phone just need a few more generations of the NSA doing... nothing. I wouldn't suggest the NSA does anything, duh. The HOAs that require security cameras inside the home, maybe them.

Now if only we had some way to evaluate the social usefulness of behaviors with all this data! The market'll undoubtedly solve it.

 

[EnglishEdward]

@ EgonSpengler

Because of all those things. But I believe the right to privacy and the requirement for police warrants is weaker in the UK than in the USA.

 

[Core Imposter]

Yeah, for all of our faults over here, the UK is way ahead of us when it comes to electronic surveillance. I'm not sure what the motivation behind British police using bodycams would have been. Obviously police misconduct is not unheard of there, but it seems like it's less of a problem than it is for us. So I wonder if the use of bodycams there might have been viewed as a way of gathering evidence, rather than as a way to keep officers on the straight and narrow. One of the concerns about police bodycams over here is that they could violate suspects' rights against "search & seizure" without a warrant, and could also violate victims' rights to privacy (for example, can police use their body-cams when they enter a private home, such as happened with Sonya Massey? what if they record evidence of a crime that they weren't there to investigate and didn't have a warrant?). I have no idea whether or how these issues might apply to police in the UK.

I think if police are allowed in your home, everything in plain sight is in play. So, it's sort of like vampires.

 

[Core Imposter]

What did I just watch?
Honestly, demonic possession of the shooter suddenly starts to feel like a plausible explanation.
Even for a thoroughly non- religious person such as myself.

Yeah really. Assuming you watched the short version, in the long version the instant transition of Grayson is no less jarring nor understandable. Haunting.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ever seen a beagle when a rabbit startles?