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Should America open normalized relations with Cuba?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Trajan12, Feb 8, 2007.

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Should America Open Relations With Cuba

Poll closed May 19, 2007.
  1. Yes

    75.8%
  2. No

    24.2%
  1. Trajan12

    Trajan12 Deity

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    A lot of people on both sides seem to think so.

    But what about you?

    Those who oppose the idea, what would make you want to support it? Do you believe any harm could be done? If so what?

    Those who support it, why do you think it would make anything better?

    And to all, what do you think are the best and worst case scenarios about such a situation?
     
  2. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    I dont mind, not that it would benifit us, but i dont think we should support thier government either.
     
  3. bhsup

    bhsup Deity

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    Nope. And frankly, I think we should cut all relations, business dealings, etc with the ChiComs and any other communist nation in the world.
     
  4. CIVPhilzilla

    CIVPhilzilla Reagan Republican

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    As long as Castro and his family aren't in power, and nobody else fills the void with communist garbage, bringing capitalism to Cuba could be a huge boost to the US.
     
  5. Irish Caesar

    Irish Caesar Yellow Jacket

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    Of course.

    Nothing is worse for the security of communist regime than everyday exposure to prosperity from a better system.
     
  6. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

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    From the outside the anti-cuba thing doesnt look like defending democracy but winging about loosing sugar plantations. Not even worth anything any more. The Iran thing looks similarly petty. The UK was upset, but after the decades pased we got over it. After more than half a century it just seems a little silly.

    I know the HR record is awful, just we are in bed with far worse. Different league of bad guy.
     
  7. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Not till Castro kicks the bucket.
     
  8. Atlas14

    Atlas14 "Sophomoric Troll Master"

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    I don't see why we shouldn't open relations with them. Irish Caesar brought up a good point that it would help crack their communist tendencies.
     
  9. Irish Caesar

    Irish Caesar Yellow Jacket

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    And GinandTonic brought up a good point that is would perhaps help crack ours: the :mad:ing sugar subsidy.
     
  10. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    Yes, of course we should.

    We can learn a lot from them.
     
  11. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    Sure, we could learn how to run a terrible economy, and a worse dictatorship. :lol:
     
  12. Atlas14

    Atlas14 "Sophomoric Troll Master"

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    I don't understand what GT is saying :confused: We don't particuarly need their sugar plantations, because we use sugar beets.
     
  13. shadowdude

    shadowdude cynic in training

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    Not until Castro dies, We've been waiting for so long a few more years isn't going to hurt.
     
  14. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Like what, how to fix my '62 Ford truck?

    If you're referring to the fact that they grow their own food, we don't need Cubans to teach us that, and we're not going to learn if it we do normalize relations with Cuba. In fact, I'd gamble that they'd STOP growing their own food if we did that.


    I think we know that I'm not a pragmatic person. I will not support relations with Cuba until it ceases to be governed by a socialist dictator.
     
  15. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    Some might but not all. Plus they would find new markets for their crops (and Americans on the East Coast wouldn't have to import their tropical fruit all the way from Peru & Ecuador).
     
  16. Trajan12

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    Ok, I'm gonna make this discussion a little more interesting. See the first post. :)
     
  17. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    But why should we care about new markets for a communist country?
     
  18. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    How much of a difference do you think that would actually make? Fruit is cheap enough as it is.
     
  19. CCA

    CCA Emperor

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    Amidst all the anti-cuba propaganda someone has to play the Devil's advocate:

    Why will Cuba suddenly become a better place once Castro has gone? At best it will become a Mexico; an alternative to Cancun, where American tourists travel to exploit the people. The Americans aren't going to pump millions in to aid the people. A US-backed regime in Havana would privatise health care, commercialise education and limit the opportunities that have been put in place for the people since the revolution. Amertican tourism to Mexico, Dominican Republic etc. does not make life better for the majority.

    Of course Castro's Cuba is not the utopian socialist republic that was envisaged, but it is a damn sight better than the previous US-backed regime.

    Better then many I'd say.
    It has a very good health system. Thats by worldwide standards not just latin american or carribean standards. Decent quality of life, etc...
    I hope when Castro and crew do go everything isn't destroyed in a revolution and instead Cuba just tones down to a social democracy.
    But thats probally too much to hope for.

    Cuba has the best health care system in the Caribbean and lower illiteracy than the US. They use ONLY sustainable organic agriculture. They import food, but export sugar - considering that in the near future, sugar=fuel, this might be to their favor. There is a saying in Cuba: "each night 20 million children go to sleep with no supper and no home, but none of them are in Cuba". The Cuban *people* would fight house by house to resist the US.

    Basically, if you want to be rich, Cuba is a terrible place to be. But if you have to be poor, Cuba is better than the alternatives, possibly including the US. Cuba is #50 on the UN Human Development Report, out of ~200 countries. It's no paradise, but neither is it a failure.

    As to the question, it'll never happen. The revolution is forever.

    Cuba would be well-placed to shift into a social democracy now that communism has failed. The people are bright and the majority of Cubans don't want the system gone, they just want it changed to work a bit better - which wouldn't really be particularly hard. As mentioned, Cuba's social systems are rather good even by world standards, so if the country backs off on the Marxist-Leninist stuff it would probably be a decent place to get into business because of the bright people and smart government. Dictatorships generally survive longest in places with racial or social problems or where the population either by reality or by choice isn't very well educated. Neither is the case in Cuba.

    Remember people what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed, Gangster Capitalism filled the void, it is only now that central authority is being slowly reasserted.

    Conclusion: In almost every case when a socialist nation becomes capitalist, some things which are better preserved are lost..
     
  20. Ansar

    Ansar Détente avec l'été

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    When Castro dies.

    He may not be in power, but the day he dies, things will change.
     

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