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Should Civfantatics continue to remain neutral ?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by evrett37, Oct 25, 2010.

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Should CivFanatics be more pro-active and take a stand ?

  1. Yes

    35.0%
  2. No

    65.0%
  1. Dermo

    Dermo Warlord

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    Perhaps a bunch of us should go down to the Firaxis offices in New Jersey and protest.
    Wait a minute....... never mind :rolleyes:
     
  2. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    If CFC took a oficial position, I would get out of here. This is a forum , and a oficial position from the board would have the effect of stiffling the discussion.
     
  3. lordrune

    lordrune Prince

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    I think that's a cultural reality of a phenomenom that occurs on all internet forums. The discussion of the release of Civ 5 on Civ Fanatics is a perfect storm because a) You have a lot of people b) You have something they care very passionately about (It's a game where we've invested hundreds of hours of time, thousands in some cases) c) That thing changes dramatically, in ways that are controversial.

    Negativity and, unfortunately, trolling thrives in such environments. It's often very hard to gauge a true community reaction, at least in initial months.
     
  4. da_Vinci

    da_Vinci Gypsy Prince

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    Voted no.

    "Half of the people who write on this blackboard are Republicans, therefore the blackboard should be Republican."

    CivFanatics is not, by definition, the "voice of reason" or the "guardian of all that is fair and just". It is a blank slate upon which a wide variety of persons express their opinions. It needs to be neutral, by definition.

    Now, if you want to start your own insurgent organization, that's great. (Oooh, will homeland security let me type the word insurgent?). I will even suggest a name for you ... "Civilization V Revolution"

    dV
     
  5. dexters

    dexters Gods & Emperors Supporter

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    You have to understand to some of the more demented anti-Civ5 people, if you still play Civ5, or have anything remotely positive to say that isnt negative, you're in the
    pro Civ5 box.

    Then they hide behind posts and flaws pointed out by people who actually do try to play the game and improve it, for their reasoning for hating the game.

    It's the most bizzare partisan logic I've seen in a long while. Civ5 is certianly divisive, I'll give them that.
     
  6. Dermo

    Dermo Warlord

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    :agree:

    PS: I'm part of the half that is not Republican
     
  7. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

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    I would have agreed with your posting but the last sentence forbids to do so.

    I don't agree with Evrett's attitude and way of articulating it, but what you're asking for is just censorship, effectively putting you into the same boat as him. Well, maybe not the same boat, but a very similar one.

    In hindsight I don't think that the appearance of 2K Elizabeth was "helpful" in any way except for making some people feel "hugged" and therefore influencing their purchase decision.
    If these people are still happy with that decision I don't know, but based on the overall reaction I would say that at least some of them may think differently now.

    And actually, from a personal point of view I have to admit to feel quite some sympathy for the thought of boycotting a product of the quality it currently has.

    In total, however, I agree with the posters above who have pointed out that
    a) the fanbase is quite split over the game, the companies behind it
    b) as long as there isn't any *overwhelming* majority of members supporting such an action as proposed, the forum should abstain from such an action (overwhelming in this context means something like 90% of members)
     
  8. BobDole

    BobDole American Leader in Civ VI

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    I never said there was a problem with boycotting the game.....I said that there was a problem with trying to get people to boycott it because of accusations that the game had hate speech in it when I didn't have any at all. Read the quote again...(Sorry, just don't want anything of mine to be misconstrued, especially with all the negativity around here nowadays).
     
  9. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

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    So? Censorship is not automatically a bad thing and it is an immature attitude to think that it is. Or are you keen on papering the nursery walls of your children with hardcore pornography?

    The Civfanatics forum is not the government of a nation and we have no presumed right to free expression. If a poster is sufficiently disruptive it is perfectly acceptable to silence them in order to preserve the level of discussion. Even in free societies there are limits imposed on those that seek to do certain things such as yelling fire in a crowded theater or urging people to assassinate politicians.
     
  10. ShuShu62

    ShuShu62 Warlord

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    I absolutely think this forum should make a stand! To the barraccades, all!!!

    Now, if we could only decide which side to take given opinion is pretty solidly split 50/50 on every poll conducted in this forum...

    Actually, civfanatics does take a stand... it is an avid fan site about ALL things civ, even if all its members disagree on whether ALL things civ are good things.
     
  11. d,,p

    d,,p Guest

    Perhaps we should first fight it out in a civil war? :eek:

    I voted no because i do not see what exactly Firaxis / Developers /Testers should be shamed for. Quite the opposite :)
     
  12. Neuro

    Neuro Warlord

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    I love how the topic is called "Should Civfanatics remain neutral" and the actual poll question is "Should Civfanatics take a stand".
     
  13. McLMan

    McLMan Afraid of the monkeys

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    I think that generally people like Civ 5. CFC itself should be impartial (as it is now). Honestly I'm not seeing anything different going on now than when Civ IV was released & many here now consider it to be the best in the series.
     
  14. Baleur

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    The devs already know. :lol:
     
  15. Pantastic

    Pantastic King

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    The streets will flow with the blood of the unbelievers! Purge the impure with holy fire!
     
  16. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    An e-riot? Let's not.

    The deserved negative vibe is clear on this forum, and sufficient in terms of forum language. If people don't like it, the wallets speak more loudly.

    I wish reviewers did not lie or deliberately mislead people about this game however.

    Cowardice! How do you expect to be elected grand imperial master of CFC with an attitude like that? It's going to be hard to conquer the world with this bunch if they won't rise up...
     
  17. tom2050

    tom2050 Deity

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    When members start calling for violent acts against developers, CFC should do something about it, at least by banning them or giving them lengthy temp bans. Another guy, Sene, around here recently left a post saying he maybe wants to murder Soren Johnson of Civ 4. Disturbing. And he liked Civ 5. Seems the radical thoughts and possible radical actions over a game drive some to lose sense of reality.
     
  18. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    One could argue that the board should take an actively pro-Civ5 slant. Would you like that, Evrett?

    Anyway, neutral makes sense. The goal of the board is to facilitate use by others. I'm not sure what an actively supportive or hostile stance would actually accomplish besides to prevent some people from posting here.
     
  19. jjkrause84

    jjkrause84 King

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    Neutral...but that's not even the right way to think about it. The forum is nothing....merely an empty shell in which the MEMBERS voice their thoughts and opinions.

    An empty pub is, well....just an empty pub! It's the people that make the whole thing work. ;)
     
  20. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    Must ... resist ... Ok, I can't ... :rotfl:

    Let's just stay on saying that I do not want to be elected grand imperial master of CFC :p
     

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