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Should Civfantatics continue to remain neutral ?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by evrett37, Oct 25, 2010.

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Should CivFanatics be more pro-active and take a stand ?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. dexters

    dexters Gods & Emperors Supporter

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    To be fair to the 'we should do something' sentiment, CFC as a community is owed at least some sort of an interview, where fan questions can be posed to the developers directly. Too often, Q&A in the general press ask softball questions or ask questions in ways, fans wouldn't ask.

    This Q&A would be something all of us can contribute a question or two for and feel like we have a shot at airing our concerns directly to the people in charge. I'd love the mods and admins to handle a Q&A like that.

    But I suspect Firaxis is lying low right now. But it doesn't hurt to try.
     
  2. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    Well, it would not be the first time that Firaxians would do open talks ( both on Polycast and on mirc ) with the fan base. I think that it would actually be a good idea for Firaxis to do so now, even if to calm things down a little.
     
  3. Drakarska

    Drakarska Epic Dadness

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    That is something I would greatly be interested in viewing.
     
  4. Thoughtful Thug

    Thoughtful Thug Chieftain

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    This forum isn't made to be where people seek out a neutral position on anything.
     
  5. mediobogdum

    mediobogdum Chieftain

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    One cannot ever shame a corporation into anything, if this were true we would live in a completely different world. Seriously, you can't believe that Firaxis is in any other business than all the rest - making money. They are not trying to make you happy, or build a community, or anything other than maintain maximum shareholder value.

    If you want to affect the way a corporation does things you haven't many options unless you can buy some stock or organize a boycott or something, "shaming" them is so naive it's almost chimeric.
     
  6. ShuShu62

    ShuShu62 Chieftain

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    And, as some of these folks are saying, the nature of fanbase forums is that it would be a very uncivil war. :)
     
  7. Thoughtful Thug

    Thoughtful Thug Chieftain

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    I think you got it entirely wrong there. I would say that the people in Firaxis are a company that want to make the best game possible, in order to not only feel the satifaction of creating a great game, but to as well boost their careesr where they can find better opportunities to showcase their talents; however, it will not be the case where they are restricted to do so by the very fact that 2K won't allow that to happen due to their lack luster financial support in doing so.
     
  8. da_Vinci

    da_Vinci Gypsy Prince

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    Or at least, in some cases, uncivil discourse ... :mischief:

    Of course, if you really want to see the breakdown of civility, go read the 2K Civ 5 forum. I think fire departments hold training there ...

    given the amount of flaming that goes on there :rolleyes:

    dV
     
  9. Soro

    Soro Chieftain

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    As noted.

    The fact that I don't think the game is at 1.0 yet, and is lacking in in-depth gameplay, doesn't mean the site should take a stand alongside me. And if I liked the game a great deal, I still wouldn't think the site should take up arms with me. For that matter, I don't think the matter is worth taking up arms over.

    If you bought the game thinking it was finished, I can understand your anger, but you could always return it and wait to see what happens in 6-12 months' of development. If you love it, fine and good. Looking for stuff to get excited over? Step outside the bubble. There's a whole turbulent world out there, and it's fascinating to take part in.
     
  10. d,,p

    d,,p Guest

    It would be nice if you could clarify what exactly you are talking about:

    1. They promised fast patches -> checked
    2. They did promise mod tools and world builder -> checked
    3. They did not promise free DLC -> but anyway checked


    What exactly is 2K not allow to happen?
     
  11. andrewlt

    andrewlt Chieftain

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    Censorship is not inherently bad. Even in societies with free speech, there are restrictions on what you can or cannot say (death threats, for example, which this guy is coming close to). This dude has already implied violence against the developers on multiple occasions.

    Adding to a petition to ban 2K Elizabeth from the forums, accusing Firaxis of non-existent hate speech, he's also advocated harassing and shaming the CFC members who participated in Civ 5's beta test because of the state of the current game.
     
  12. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Personally: With official support it could get even louder. The maximum of noise is not yet reached.

    Officially: Please not, there's enough trollbait around.

    :think: at the moment i'm wondering what Azallel wrote.
     
  13. kayapo

    kayapo Chieftain

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    +1

    I really don't understand the OP question.

    The minute something like he is suggesting happens these will no longer be forums and will became a blog.
     
  14. SuperJay

    SuperJay Bending Space and Time

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    I think that's the problem - OP wants the CFC to be his own personal soapbox, when he'd really be much better off (as someone else mentioned) starting a blog or site himself where he can rally the masses to revolution. :)

    I haven't checked, but I bet http://www.firaxismustburn.org is available!
     
  15. zarakand

    zarakand Chieftain

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    I think this is crazy. It's a game and this site gets visited by fans. If it becomes anything other than "We love Civ games!" then it becomes a fractured placed. In any case, if this was a serious suggestion from somone esle it might be worth discussing, but your previous postings have been like Fox News or MSNBC...way over the top.
     
  16. skallben

    skallben Diplomat

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    We are playing, discussing, modding and criticizing all the time. Look at the patch, how many of the changes have not beeen extensively discussed pre-patch here on CFC? Modded even? The Mongols release even mentioned the fanatics as not to be messed with. We are not exactly idle. For a game community, I think the level of the discussions and activity on CFC is on a high level.

    For instance, posting things like Sullla's writeup on his games on the front sends a message. Personally I see CFC more as a filling a journalists intented role in society, we investigate, write on, discuss and criticize the games flaws and strengths.

    I think Firaxis history has shown they do listen to the fans, and I believe they want us on their train because they know they are nothing without us. They can never take apart and produce variants of the game in the same extent as the whole CFC modding society does. But they can have an open dialog with us and refine the core game.

    I think the constructive entry point here should be why this patch was needed to start with. Many of the flaws on release days should not have been there IMO. Maybe Firaxis should have been even more transparent on how the game was being developed? Maybe they should have asked more of us to beta-test?

    But no, we should not allow CFC to act as a political tool and "enforce" Firaxis. Were I Firaxis, I'd give the finger in that case and start making other games. I can't honestly believe they want to screw us over in any way, I rather believe it to be they have economics and a publisher to set frames for thier plans.
     
  17. MadRat

    MadRat Cheese Raider

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    da svadanya CiV lol

    Honestly, keep the neutrality - not everyone has the same feeling about CiV 5 and thus no single position is a consenus. I dont want CFC to become a hate site anymore than I want to see it be a rabid fanboi/gal site.

    Rat
     
  18. kayapo

    kayapo Chieftain

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    Well, today is the 25th of October. Gregorian Calender or not, it is October! We are already 2 days late. Though technically we have till the 5th of November. :)
     
  19. SuperJay

    SuperJay Bending Space and Time

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    Very well said. Agree completely.
     
  20. JLoZeppeli

    JLoZeppeli Chieftain

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    Maybe the game:lol:

    Only joking, i think it is not something the forum has to do, in the end even on the 2k forum they give little or no account to the players, Greg and company politic is: official announcement only, with some bug finding, nothing more...;)

    So why bother the Cifanatic forum for a meaningless and worth of nothing crusade? If it was the 99% of the forum to think that they gave us a crappy game (and it isn't) the result would be the same... A promise that they will do something by (put a date), just to calm the crowd...;)
     

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