1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

Should Civfantatics continue to remain neutral ?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by evrett37, Oct 25, 2010.

?

Should CivFanatics be more pro-active and take a stand ?

  1. Yes

    35.0%
  2. No

    65.0%
  1. Fixed for you.:)

    On a more serious note this is almost equal to "Let's protest at Firaxis' offices because of steam!!!" By the way, what ever became of that hmm? :hmm:

    Of course Everret may just be using his free time to mess with our heads.
     
  2. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    25,708
    These 3rd party candidates sure are fickle....

    And while I realize the noise is not at maximum level, I'm not sure taking an active opposed stance is even best for the game. What objective would that achieve? It might be useful to sticking it to the developers, but what do we really want? We want a good game, not to tell Shafer "your head would look good on a pole" (one of my esteemed polycast co-hosts would definitely not like to see that, you know who you are ;)).

    I'd say our best bet is as a community to continually rage at the bad/underdeveloped features while having some compliments on things that are being done right. For example, things like hexes, the concept of city states (although perhaps not implementation), tactical warfare, etc are all things that have a lot of merit and in no way shape or form are detrimental to civ V. Things like bugs, strategic imbalance between peace/war, hidden diplo, and weak AI in general are absolutely detrimental to civ V and that conclusion can be reached objectively without comparing it to other games.
     
  3. Chassit

    Chassit Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2010
    Messages:
    18
    So has anybody else noticed how the OP has not posted anything besides the original.

    Talk about a successful troll...
    Moderator Action: Such accusations are worth an infraction in this forum.
     
  4. Jolly Rogerer

    Jolly Rogerer Prince

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    402
    I voted no. I'd rather have a good forum than a "movement".
     
  5. tupisac

    tupisac Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2010
    Messages:
    45
    It's pretty simple for me.

    If CFC is just another forum looking for mass attention it should definitely stay neutral. It's valid business decision. Old guys go, new guys come, hopefully in bigger numbers. Avatars could change to more soft-porny and expect many animated smileys in signatures, but user base is probably going to grow.
    CFC is now officially in the game as a mod source. This is another very good reason to stay neutral, since it's business relationship.

    But I've voted YES for two reasons. One - the idea. This forum is quite old and judging by the polls many veterans don't appreciate the direction of the franchise (and I don't mean releasing beta, lousy AI or other patchable bugs). This place should be a voice of true fanatic. Would be nice to go 'officially' honest with some diplomatic gestures like sticky warning post for other builder/fanatic out there.
    Second - for selfish reasons I pretty much want this place to stay as it is. With elaborate walls of text, making me feel much respect for all the posters. With guys who appreciate math, history, overall complexity and challenge. Place for civ geeks, not casual or simple board-game players. Place where I lurk for knowledge without registering since I have nothing to add. Not a place where I post photo-shopped pictures for fun or feeding trolls. With the new Civ Network going facebook I'm afraid it's just a matter of time when this place completely changes it's character.
     
  6. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2009
    Messages:
    5,820
    I'm being serious, and giving you credit for a yearning that seems sincere on your part, when asking what this would mean. What would a CivFanatics that 'took a stand' look like? Would it involve the purging of members based upon their opinions? Would it involve the deletion of the threads and posts that expressed any satisfaction with Civilization 5?

    I am sincerely unsure what you have in mind. I'd be interested in hearing even a few of the details of the implementation of this allegedly plausible non-neutrality. I assume that I would be banned pretty much immediately, but I suppose that goes without saying :p

    EDIT: What would a forum that mandated that everyone agree discuss?
     
  7. Öjevind Lång

    Öjevind Lång Deity

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2005
    Messages:
    2,371
    Hear, hear. That's exactly how I've started to feel about the diatribes against Civ V. Of course people should feel free to hate Civ V, but it gets tiresome when every one of them starts his own hate thread. I wish the moderators would merge them.
     
  8. Buccaneer

    Buccaneer Deity

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2001
    Messages:
    3,562
    I did exactly that and yet he is still here contributing nothing of value.

    Moderator Action: Again, don't comment on specific members...PM a mod. :)
    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
     
  9. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2009
    Messages:
    5,820
    Eh.. wait who did you report :crazyeye: You have every right to report me if you like, of course, I just can't tell from the context.
     
  10. Buccaneer

    Buccaneer Deity

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2001
    Messages:
    3,562
    Sorry Alps, it was evrett of course.
     
  11. d4everman

    d4everman Chieftain

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2003
    Messages:
    72
    I find any "We want a Hitler leader" thread annoying, but I wouldn't deny the posters their right to post or suggest that they be merged just because I don't like them. No one forces me to read them, after all.

    Most game forums have threads about how some players are unhappy. Some are over the top, some are not. Civ is a popular game and and generates a lot of posts from the people that play it. Civ 5 with its problems is going to get a lot of threads of people "whining" or more correctly, complaining. The game has serious issues.
     
  12. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,296
    You see, when Civ4 was released and having quite a bad start due to many technical issues, nevertheless there were "praising threads" spreading like wildfire.
    And for sure there were some threads from disappointed, angry players too.

    But I would say the positive threads were more. Maybe not that much more, but more at least.

    Now, this does not happen with Civ0.V.

    What's the reason?
    Have people changed or might it be that the quality of the new game is just not so much inviting to open a thread to praise it?

    Think about it.
     
  13. Jharii

    Jharii King

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    696
    Location:
    Walled Lake, MI
    There's plenty of people enjoying Civ5 and posting on it, and even voting in the polls as such. But please, selective vision and propaganda is much more controversial, so please continue.
     
  14. Vordeo

    Vordeo King

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    719
    I voted 'no', but if this was an option I'd certainly support the measure.
     
  15. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,296
    Talking about selective vision....

    If the poster whom I quoted AND you were right, wouldn't there be a balance?
    And if there were a balance, wouldn't his complaint be somewhat unjustified?
     
  16. Jharii

    Jharii King

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    696
    Location:
    Walled Lake, MI
    Let me make it easy for you. Why don't you post a simple poll?

    "Do you enjoy Civilization V, yes or no?" Plain, simple, and to the point.

    Funny how the majority of the polls are Civ5 vs. this and Civ5 vs. that. Most of them have answers that are so heavily biased and jaded that they can't be taken seriously.

    Try it. Post a completely unbiased poll, without your "clever" 0.5 moniker. See how it goes. Or would you like me to save you the trouble?
     
  17. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,296
    It seems to be the bad fate of your life to always come late.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9767799&highlight=current+state#post9767799

    Moderator Action: Insults like this are not tolerated here. If you can't add something civil or constructive, then don't post.
    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
     
  18. Jharii

    Jharii King

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    696
    Location:
    Walled Lake, MI
  19. Yzman

    Yzman Deity

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2002
    Messages:
    2,692
    Location:
    Illinois, USA
    Take a stand? Why are people blowing this so out of proportion? It sounds like you are declaring war on them.:spear:
     
  20. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,296
    Exactly, no "simple" (or for you: streamlined and organic) question. So it allows for some diversity.

    The last time I did the calculation, the average was something like 5.92 or so. I admit that this was considerably better than my own voting of 3.

    But I will do the calculation once again. Meanwhile it is 5,83.

    In all honesty, for the fifth iteration of a very popular series this is a quite mediocre value.
    It is even worse when considering the fact that "professional" reviews were in the 90% area.
     

Share This Page