Buy it. A little late in the day, and yes not a new topic. But given the following preferences, is the game as patched worth buying: (1) Long time Civ fanatic, starting with Civ I, have played and enjoyed virtually every civ game (most favorite: II, IV, Alpha Centauri. Least favorite: III, colonization 1&2. (2) While I prefer good AI, lack of same isn't a deal breaker, especially since that has always been a deficiency of even the best Civ games. (3) The fact that is is a radical departure from IV is a plus, not a negative, as much as I liked IV. Different is good. (4) Regarding the complexity issue, that isn't necessarily a huge issue. I like a game with many MEANINGFUL decisions. Civ IV, as good as it was, had really relatively few paths toward victory (without in effect handicapping yourself with suboptimal strategies). That's why I'm not one of the people sad to see releigion go. Does Civ V have enough MEANINGFUL decision points, where there are alternate "good" choices which lead to different but still fun and successful outcomes? Alpha Centuri was a triumph in this respect, and superficially the social policies in Civ V seem reminicent of some of what I liked about A.C. (5) Pace. It was a problem with the demo & was mentioned by several negative reviews. Is this better in the full game than in the demo, and/or fixed by patches? Given the above, should I buy Civ V? Of just go ahead and buy Shogun II?