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Should I or shouldn't I?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by larrym, May 7, 2011.

  1. larrym

    larrym Chieftain

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    Buy it. A little late in the day, and yes not a new topic. But given the following preferences, is the game as patched worth buying:

    (1) Long time Civ fanatic, starting with Civ I, have played and enjoyed virtually every civ game (most favorite: II, IV, Alpha Centauri. Least favorite: III, colonization 1&2.

    (2) While I prefer good AI, lack of same isn't a deal breaker, especially since that has always been a deficiency of even the best Civ games.

    (3) The fact that is is a radical departure from IV is a plus, not a negative, as much as I liked IV. Different is good.

    (4) Regarding the complexity issue, that isn't necessarily a huge issue. I like a game with many MEANINGFUL decisions. Civ IV, as good as it was, had really relatively few paths toward victory (without in effect handicapping yourself with suboptimal strategies). That's why I'm not one of the people sad to see releigion go. Does Civ V have enough MEANINGFUL decision points, where there are alternate "good" choices which lead to different but still fun and successful outcomes? Alpha Centuri was a triumph in this respect, and superficially the social policies in Civ V seem reminicent of some of what I liked about A.C.

    (5) Pace. It was a problem with the demo & was mentioned by several negative reviews. Is this better in the full game than in the demo, and/or fixed by patches?

    Given the above, should I buy Civ V? Of just go ahead and buy Shogun II?
     
  2. smitty5ca

    smitty5ca Chieftain

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    Honestly I don't think I would buy it if I were you. If I could, I would return it for a full refund. The AI is still to stupid to be effective at all. For me personally I do not like the social policies and prefer civics. It is close to being a good game, but I would wait tell they come out with an actual expansion pack before I would buy. So you may want to not buy any and save for CiV WITH expansion over vanilla CiV or Shogun II.
     
  3. Drawmeus

    Drawmeus Emperor

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    Re 5: It's been fixed by patches. It is also significantly improved once you get good at the game. Pace, particularly early in the game, can be a problem for newer players, though.

    Re 4: Civ V has a lot of meaningful decision points, but its balance is probably still quite a bit worse than IV and in particular its mid to late game leaves a lot to be desired. Its early game can be quite fun once you get the hang of it.

    Diplomacy can seem insane, as well. It isn't, but it can take some time to figure out.

    Personally, I like Civ V a LOT. A big plus is that they're still actively developing; there's a new patch making the game meaningfully better every month or two. I don't promise that you'll like it, but with your attitude it seems like it might be worth a shot for you.

    I'd give it a try, but keep your eyes open - I can't promise you'll like it.
     
  4. TW_Honorius

    TW_Honorius Warlord

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    If your hesitant to buying it, wait for a 75 percent off sale and then buy it.
     
  5. Ceedub

    Ceedub Chieftain

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    Based on this release, I'll never buy any title by Firaxis or 2k again. So my answer is no.
     
  6. Save_Ferris

    Save_Ferris Admiring Myself

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    I would. You say you want something different from IV? Civ V is your game. Although the AI isn't too good, it's gotten better every patch.
     
  7. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    I'd buy it because I have fun, but it would be smart to wait for the next 40% off sale if you're uncertain. Certainly, if you've waited this long, it doesn't hurt to wait for the next sale.
     
  8. King Patrick

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    Based on your criteria, it sounds like you'd enjoy Civ 5, particularly after the last patch. Depending on the exact situation & your chosen victory track, the pace can drag a little toward the endgame. But even if you never attack anyone, the barbarians in the early game and desperation attacks by civs you are leaving in the dust in the late game may keep things interesting. :)

    I can't compare to Civ4, never played it as my old computer lacked the power, but Civ5 has plenty of meaningful decisions in my opinion. You will usually find yourself tempted by multiple social policy choices when the time comes for a new pick - if I go with commerce I can fix my economy, but honor will help me in my next war, except this liberty tree policy will reduce the cost of later policies so maybe I should go for that first...

    And there are more patches & more DLC coming all the time, so if you start to get bored, there's usually something new coming around the corner.
     
  9. larrym

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    Bought it, so far so good, only one incomplete game at an easy level though.

    (2) AI is actually the one area that is one area that is worse than expected, possibly because of the easy level. But my initial impression is that the one unit per hex restriction makes it harder to hide AI deficiencies.
    (3) Different is good - Civ IV was great, but this feels like a different game in a good way. Among other things, I like the social policies so far, I like the hexes, I like the larger city range.
    (4) Complexity, or lack of it - So far so good. Lots of decisions to make, with less micromanagement. I don't MIND micromanagement, except that in most prior civ games it gets out of control late game & a lot of it wasn't challenging so much as it became tedious.
    (5) Pace - still a concern but not as bad as I feared. Middle and late game pace, so far, seems perhaps even improved from prior Civ games, contrary to one comment above.
     
  10. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    Middle and late game are too slow, imo. In the early game the pace is helped by the fact that you have lots of techs to choose from, and each decision you make is important. Later in the game you just choose among 3-4 techs, and it doesn't matter too much which line you pick since you'll likely have rifle-rushed your enemy anyway (assuming they didn't outtech you by huge leaps and bounds, you'll win). It's rather sad.
     
  11. Tatran

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    :lol:
    Care to share?
    Btw, buying civ5 in its current state was a wrong one.
     
  12. snarzberry

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    My opinion. It wasn't a good game on release. It is a good game now. It will likely become a great game during it's life as the most recent civ release.

    I've played a hell of a lot more hours of civ 5 than any other game in the last 6 months, so I'd feel silly if I didn't recommend you bought it.
     
  13. Save_Ferris

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    I'd agree with him: Choosing SPs, choosing a great person using SPs, choosing what to do with a great person, choosing RAs, focuses, specialists, denouncing, DoFs, and what units to send.
     
  14. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    Yeah, I'd argue the game gives plenty of options for about 2/3 of it. The home stretch is relatively peaceful. If wait between turns were instant, I wouldn't mind. If I'm going for a space race victory, sometimes it's worth it to hurry up.

    Keeping a civ going for a diplo victory from winning is actually the last bit of tension in the game I just finished. It was quite intense because I wanted to go for production and build spaceship parts, but really needed the gold. Plus, I kinda sidetracked because I also really wanted Nukes.
     
  15. Haig

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    For me I've had periods of excitement but they've been followed by boredom, haven't happened with Civ IV which I've played side-to-side with V.

    Now I play Civ IV (and Civ III which I recently discovered and it's more interesting than Civ V for me) and Civ V would need a REALLY kick ass expansion to get me excited as I'm with IV and III.

    For me complexity and variety of strategies is plus when it's done well as in Civ IV, Paradox games tend to be a bit sluggish for me although I bought EUIII Complete and give it a chance.
     
  16. PimpmyCiv

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    The way I see it...

    If you like the Civ series of games, you'll like this game. It will be worth the buy.

    If you think Civ IV was the greatest game ever invented and you are expecting an exact replica of that game with better graphics, you'll be disappointed.

    Personally, I bought the game 6 months ago and am still putting some time into games everyday I can. That doesn't happen very often.
     
  17. Horizons

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    +1


    Most people here seem to have got minimum 80 hours out of the game. (I've got 160 so far.) This is still a lot more than for any other game. So wait until it's going for half-price or whatever on Steam then don't hesitate to buy.
     
  18. TheMeInTeam

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    Any other game? People invest days into shooters. That's game-hour days, not the figurative sense...its not uncommon for players to reach weeks.
     
  19. Horizons

    Horizons Needing fed again!

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    Oh sorry. Well I don't invest minutes into shooters let alone days or weeks.

    I'm a civfanatic not a hardcore gamer, sorry about my ignorance.

    :D
     
  20. Beef Hammer

    Beef Hammer Warlord

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    ya I'm just shy of 400hrs on civ V, although that means less considering its a game I leave on and walk away from fairly frequently.

    789hrs in counter-strike source, and they haven't been keeping track of time played the whole time... damn I play alot of cs:s lol
     

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