Should Quebec be Independant Thread

[Raisin Bran]

No Quebequers vs Canadians wars please.
Explain your views freely on the subject
If you don't live in Canada, give us your opinion on the subject
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Should Quebec be Independant?​

For those who do not know too much on the subject
Quebec sovereignty movement

The Quebec sovereignty movement is a political movement aimed at attaining sovereignty for Quebec, a province of the Canadian federation. The sovereigntists propose that Quebecers exercise their right to self-determination in order to democratically give themselves their first independent constitutional state of law.

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I live in Quebec and I want Quebec to be independent.

I don't feel like a Canadian. The only time in "canadianly patriotic" is at sports events. I feel like a Quebequer. I belive that we are different from the Canadians, we have a different culture, we don't see religion the same way, we speak a different language and we have different origins.

Quebec was conquered by the english because France did not want to keep the colony back then. Now In the Modern Era the seperatists want to reclaim Quebec for the Quebequers. We are different .... we require different laws and governement. I don't feel represented in the federal governement.

Ill keep some stuff for later ...

This is the way I see it .... how do you see it?

 

[.Shane.]

I don't think I'd use the word "should", but I voted for the 3rd choice. I do think if that's what they want, then fine. But, they should do it or not and then STFU and live with whatever the decision is.

 

[sysyphus]

I'd rather Québec didn't go, and we'd all be worse off with a split, but it's their choice ultimately.

I think the point is lost on alot of separatistes that being part of the country of Canada doesn't mean being part of a single Canadian 'nation'. Canada is a country fo many nations. Kind of like Switzerland.

 

[Ansar]

Do you mean because Quebec is the only French-Speaking Canadian Country? If so, I guess it should be independent or part of France, kind of like an alliance with France. I believe the only true Canadian countries are Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Yukon territory, and Northwest Territories, oh, and British Columbia. IMHO, besides Quebec, Newfoundland, and Nova Scotia dont look very Canadian, they seem more British. If anything, maybe Newfoundland and Nova Scotia should form a nation, maybe with Quebec.

In other words...I think Quebec should be independent. It is more unique than the other Canadian provinces.

 

[sysyphus]

Actually, I notice that Nova Scotians use alot of American expressions, like "5th grade" instead of "grade 5", but at least they don't have that twangy thing Americans have in their pronounciation.

Newfoundland is something different altogether. Almost like another planet. My description for them is "Canada's Geordies".

 

[cairo140]

I am personally against separatism. I have many Quebecois friends (very few of which are separatists, mostly because they are smart enough to realize the financial ramifications) though, and I completely sympathize with their feelings and their situation. I put a large portion of the blame of this on difficult situations that arose in the period 1900-1920, especially conscription. The leadership paved a way for a split country, which was an unfortunate resort.

Back to the issue at hand, I DO NOT "want" Quebec to separate per se. However, I feel that should Quebec separate, they must not separate under unusual terms as outlined by separatists (which would place Quebec as a sort of independent vassal state that recieves funding from Canada).

Furthermore, despite the increasing success of Quebec's resource industries, they cannot stand up by themselves, and their separation would lead to demise of Atlantic and the rest of Canada.

And despite all that, I think separatism is inevitable. I only hope Quebec develops to the point that they can stand up by themselves and not demand vassal support from Canada.

For now, my answer is no.

 

[bhsup]

What would this do to the rest of Canada, politically speaking? I know Alberta is more conservative than the rest of the nation, so wouldn't that tend to swing things a smidge to the right if Quebec bolted from the Federal scene? Just curious.

EDIT: of -> if

 

[ybbor]

Would I be correct in assuming Quebequers are generally noth more econmically and socially liberal?

EDIT: x-post while reading the thread

 

[jamiethearcher]

I voted yes, provided a clear majority of quebecers wishes it so.

 

[Raisin Bran]

1 - Back to the issue at hand, I DO NOT "want" Quebec to separate per se. However, I feel that should Quebec separate, they must not separate under unusual terms as outlined by separatists (which would place Quebec as a sort of independent vassal state that recieves funding from Canada).

Furthermore, despite the increasing success of Quebec's resource industries, they cannot stand up by themselves, and their separation would lead to demise of Atlantic and the rest of Canada.

2 - And despite all that, I think separatism is inevitable. I only hope Quebec develops to the point that they can stand up by themselves and not demand vassal support from Canada.

For now, my answer is no.

Numbers by me

1 - I would not be against the atlantics merging with Quebec

2 - I say Quebec is strong financially. Quebec would be shaken by a seperation for a few years but it would grow stronger. Quebequers are the most taxed in Canada, take the money a Quebequer gives away in taxes, devidide it by 4 give 75% to the new Quebec Governement and 25 % back in the pockets of the people, the Governement will have more that enough money and the people will get richer.

I voted yes, provided a clear majority of quebecers wishes it so.

What is a clear majority?

I go for 50 + 1

 

[Shylock]

Numbers by me

1 - I would not be against the atlantics merging with Quebec

2 - I say Quebec is strong financially. Quebec would be shaken by a seperation for a few years but it would grow stronger. Quebequers are the most taxed in Canada, take the money a Quebequer gives away in taxes, devidide it by 4 give 75% to the new Quebec Governement and 25 % back in the pockets of the people, the Governement will have more that enough money and the people will get richer.



What is a clear majority?

I go for 50 + 1

How about giving 100% to the taxpayer and tell the new government to sod off?

If they want to I don't see why they cannot secede. It's all arbitrary boundaries anyway.

 

[Raisin Bran]

How about giving 100% to the taxpayer and tell the new government to sod off?

No, I love my free Health system too much.

Taxes give us services, I don't like them, I think I pay too much but I feel they are nesseary.

 

[cairo140]

I would not be against the atlantics merging with Quebec

I can only cringe in fear to think of what would happen to the Atlantic seaway if the sovereign state of Quelantibec had control. How would Ontario be able to trade!?!?!

 

[Raisin Bran]

I can only cringe in fear to think of what would happen to the Atlantic seaway if the sovereign state of Quelantibec had control. How would Ontario be able to trade!?!?!

Quebec would have a Open border agreement with the Canadians

 

[Ansar]

What do you think Quebec would be called if it separated? Quebec?

 

[Raisin Bran]

What do you think Quebec would be called if it separated? Quebec?

Yep Quebec would be it for me!

The name "Quebec", which comes from an Algonquin word meaning "strait" or "narrowing", originally meant the narrowing of the St. Lawrence River off what is currently Quebec City.

 

[bhsup]

How about Acadia?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I don't see this as a reason to become a new country! By that reasoning, the US ought to be a hundred different countries, as well as every other Western nation out there.This would be like Wyoming deciding to leave the Union because it has like 4 Electoral Votes/seats in the House.
These differences are what make us stronger as nations, not weaker. I think that Quebecans ought to embrace their French past, their present culture, and look to the future with the rest of Canada, but not use their past as a reason to abandon their countrymen in the future.

 

[History_Buff]

How about Acadia?

Because Acadia is a region more Atlantic in nature, the Atlantic provinces, parts of New England, and only Eastern Quebec.

Personally I'm against separation. And if there was separation, it should be on a regional basis. I'm pretty sure only the St. Lawrence Belt would actually vote in favour of separation, while the North I don't think has the same separatist motivations. But if Quebec does gain independance, it should be a clean break. If you don't wanna be part of our country, there should be no special payouts to Quebec from the Canadian government.

 

[bhsup]

Because Acadia is a region more Atlantic in nature, the Atlantic provinces, parts of New England, and only Eastern Quebec.

Ah, okay. Shows how little I know! I just assumed thatthe French speakers down in Louisiana came from 'that French speaking place up north' (aka Quebec). And since cajun is a corruption of Acadian, I always linked Acadia and Quebec in my mind. Appreciate the correction.