Should Quebec be Independant Thread

[jamiethearcher]

Maybe Ontario should just separate and save everyone the bother. Seems like we're the ones everybody wants to get away from.

HEck, i would think Ontario would be happy to get rid of the rest of the country too! every *****es and moans about Ontario all the time, when all Ontario does is give them transfer money, and on top of it all, high oil prices from Alberta are raising the dollar, and hurting Ontarios manufacturing industry!

TIME FOR INDEPENDANCE!!!!!!

 

[sysyphus]

We need Alberta's oil, Quebec's hydro and BC's salmon though...

But we got the banks and fresh water.

 

[Raisin Bran]

Isn't that kind of how things work now? The Feds take care of money, army, foreign relations, and provinces get resources, education and health. What else would you suggest that the provinces get power over?

No it does not work that way now. The feds are everywhere.
Double management is what ticks us off.
Give less taxes to the Feds. Take away Education and health from the Feds and let the provinces make their own laws.

This is my vision of a Canada the Includes Quebec.

Remember in the last elections paul Martin said the we (canadians) needed a strong central governement. we have no need for a big surplus in the feds pockets. Take less manage less and give more independance to the provinces without putting their noses in all the domains managed by the provinces.

I say this for all provinces not only the Best one (Quebec)

 

[Babbler]

No it does not work that way now. The feds are everywhere.
Double management is what ticks us off.
Give less taxes to the Feds. Take away Education and health from the Feds and let the provinces make their own laws.

Education has always been a provincial jurisdiction.

 

[Che Guava]

No it does not work that way now. The feds are everywhere.
Double management is what ticks us off.
Give less taxes to the Feds. Take away Education and health from the Feds and let the provinces make their own laws.

Um, the provinces are in charge of education (pre and post secondary), health, and provinces can (and do) make thier own laws. Remeber how the OLF got started

Seriously though, the feds provide money for all these services but have little to do with making the decisions around them. THe Fed. Ministry of Health, for eg, works on policy, drugs and research, but does not manage health care at all.

Remember in the last elections paul Martin said the we (canadians) needed a strong central governement. we have no need for a big surplus in the feds pockets. Take less manage less and give more independance to the provinces without putting their noses in all the domains managed by the provinces.

What exactly do you want la belle province to be in charge of that they don't control already? Yeah, transfer payments can be a b****, but if the last premier's meeting was any indication, no-one can decide on how to manage that...

 

[Raisin Bran]

What exactly do you want la belle province to be in charge of that they don't control already? Yeah, transfer payments can be a b****, but if the last premier's meeting was any indication, no-one can decide on how to manage that...

I want the provinces to be in charge of everything exept Money, army and International affairs. That's all.

To hell with the transfer payments .... let the provinces receive that money in the first place with taxes. No need to give it to the feds and then gettinig half of it back (and we have to beg for it)

we could reduce our federal taxes by 75% by reducing the central federal governement.

and ok ok ok ok ok education is managed by the provinces.
But we can't make up all our own laws ... If it was like that Quebec would of already legalized Pot.

 

[Che Guava]

I want the provinces to be in charge of everything exept Money, army and International affairs. That's all.

To hell with the transfer payments .... let the provinces receive that money in the first place with taxes. No need to give it to the feds and then gettinig half of it back (and we have to beg for it)

we could reduce our federal taxes by 75% by reducing the central federal governement.

and ok ok ok ok ok education is managed by the provinces.
But we can't make up all our own laws ... If it was like that Quebec would of already legalized Pot.

But what do you want??! YOu can pass your own laws, as long as its within your jurisdiction (just like in the US) you have education, health (and yes you do) and control over your resources. If you want to do away with equalization scheme, that's fine, but don't complain to me that Quebec (or any of the other provinces) don't have a say in how things are run!

 

[sysyphus]

I say get rid the provinces. They are just pointless middlemen anyway. Split their jurisdiction between the feds and municipalities, creating British style shires in the less populated areas.

 

[jamiethearcher]

I say get rid the provinces. They are just pointless middlemen anyway. Split their jurisdiction between the feds and municipalities, creating British style shires in the less populated areas.

I will definetly second that motion! cut out the middleman, and save us all alot of money. Honestly, one main governement to handle the big stuff, and a local government to handle the small stuff makes a heck of alot more sense. Plus, a beefed up municipal government would be significantly more responsive to local needs than a provincial government. What do a bunch of politicians in Toronto know about conditions in Ottawa, or Cochrane?

 

[Raisin Bran]

I will definetly second that motion! cut out the middleman, and save us all alot of money. Honestly, one main governement to handle the big stuff, and a local government to handle the small stuff makes a heck of alot more sense. Plus, a beefed up municipal government would be significantly more responsive to local needs than a provincial government. What do a bunch of politicians in Toronto know about conditions in Ottawa, or Cochrane?

The United Provinces of Canada?

To hell with the USA and on with the UPC

But ... guys .... a provincial governement is made of deputies from all regions of the province ... so in my mind they represent the people well.

 

[jamiethearcher]

The United Provinces of Canada?

To hell with the USA and on with the UPC

But ... guys .... a provincial governement is made of deputies from all regions of the province ... so in my mind they represent the people well.

Not the UPC - Keep it Canada, just rework the constitution to remove the provinces, and divide their powers between the Feds and the municipalities.

I.e. give the feds education and healthcare, so they are uniform throughout the country, and give the municipalities law enforcement (or the feds, and all the country would have the mounties as their police officers.

You are right that the MPP's come from all over the province, but in Ontario, the majority of them come from the GTA, so the rest of the province doesn't really get looked after.

 

[De Lorimier]

I say get rid the provinces. They are just pointless middlemen anyway. Split their jurisdiction between the feds and municipalities, creating British style shires in the less populated areas.

That's pretty much my vision...for an independant Québec! Have Québec (city that is, our national capital) deal with the different municipalities and régions. You want to cut out the provinces, I want to cut out the feds. Small but important difference.

 

[Babbler]

I wouldn't abolish the provinces or federal government. The current system is working fine as is.

 

[jamiethearcher]

I wouldn't abolish the provinces or federal government. The current system is working fine as is.

When you have a significant number of people who want to leave the country, I don't think you can say the system if "fine as is"

I am aware that support for separation has been declining, and was never high enough to actually leave the country, but it has and still is, enough to consider changing things around somewhat -

Further, if you look at the geographic distribution of MP's, you can see that the country is clearly split along regional lines - the west is overwhelmingly Tory, Ontario is mostly liberal, and Quebec is mostly Bloc - We do not have a singal party that has appeal on the national level - I would say that is a sign that the system is not "fine as is"

EDIT: eliminating the provinces may or may not be a solution to this problem, I am merely disputing your statement.

 

[Temy]

Canada gets rid of Quebec and the provinces will be nothing more than a bad memory.

 

[civconquer3000]

I support Quebec's Independence (i'm American) but I think there might be some tension between France and Britain. Britain supports Canada, and France supports Quebec more. Anyway, Quebec is probably going to join NATO instantly. It shouldn't be that serious.

 

[sysyphus]

I support Quebec's Independence (i'm American) but I think there might be some tension between France and Britain. Britain supports Canada, and France supports Quebec more. Anyway, Quebec is probably going to join NATO instantly. It shouldn't be that serious.

You'd actually be amazed how little Britain and France give a crap.

 

[History_Buff]

Yeah, I would be very surprised if they cared at all. Personally I like this idea of abolishing the provinces to have just a strong national government and local municipalities. Might serve us better really. Plus we could all stop arguing about transfer payments.

 

[jamiethearcher]

Yeah, I would be very surprised if they cared at all. Personally I like this idea of abolishing the provinces to have just a strong national government and local municipalities. Might serve us better really. Plus we could all stop arguing about transfer payments.

Well, its almost unanimous then! (haha, ya right) - Maybe we need to propose a constitutional amendment - we should all write to our MP's - (as if that would actually change things)

 

[sysyphus]

Given that Harper is a staunch supporter of provincial autonomy, I doubt he'd go for such a move.