Should the US Invade Greenland (Denmark) & Panama
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My initial reaction was that this had some similarity to the US relationship with Puerto Rico, however...
Puerto Ricans don't have full voting rights in the US, because Puerto Rico has not been admitted as a state. So Puerto Ricans have some US voting rights, such as they can vote in the Presidential primaries, but they don't get to vote in the general election, nor do they get any voting representation in the US House or Senate, nor are they allocated any electoral college votes.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
so a bit more on voting, greenland has two dedicated parliament slots in the danish parliament. they otherwise hold their own parliament and election.
Optional.
Does Denmark have a system like Germany's which awards some seats to at-large majorities, or are all seats representatives of specific local districts?
Not that 50,000 people would do much compared to millions of Danes.
Trump’s got a radioactive time bomb under Greenland’s ice
The U.S. would inherit an environmental dilemma of its own making if it lays claim to the massive Arctic island.Deep in Greenland’s frozen wilderness, a radioactive secret sleeps beneath the ice — and it could be a headache for Donald Trump if the U.S. president-elect follows through on his threat to take control of the vast Arctic island. Its name is Camp Century, an American military base built in 1959 during the Cold War in an attempt to develop nuclear launch sites that could survive a Russian strike.
The project, which involved carving a network of tunnels through Greenland’s ice sheet and was powered by a small nuclear reactor, was deemed unfeasible due to the constantly shifting ice and abandoned in 1967. Although the Americans dismantled the reactor and took its nuclear reaction chamber with them when they departed in '67, they left behind thousands of tonnes of waste and debris — including radioactive residue — to be buried under the icecap forever.
But thanks to climate change, forever might come sooner than planned.
As the world warms, Camp Century — which is located in one of the most remote spots on Earth, about 1,500 kilometers north of Nuuk, Greenland’s capital city — has been the focus of renewed interest and anxiety about just how long it will remain entombed. A landmark study published in 2016 found the remains of the abandoned base could be exposed by melting ice and snow toward the end of the 21st century.
More here:
Trump’s got a radioactive time bomb under Greenland’s ice
The U.S. would inherit an environmental dilemma of its own making if it lays claim to the massive Arctic island.
www.politico.eu
The study:
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It's pretty conventional proportional representation by the looks, with 12 regions including the two autonomous ones, there's no single seat MMP element like Germany or New Zealand. Aside from the Faroes and Greenland and the small easternmost island district, who all have 2 seats, the rest have 10 to 20 seats.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
unironically, appreciate the bleak joke here. <3
afaik it's pretty close to just proportional. we're ~6 million people, there's 179 parliament seats. dividing by 180, each seat represents ~30k people, and greenland's pop is closer to 60k than 50k if you round it properly.
so they're technically overrepresented, but bluntly not in a particularly egregious way. danish rural areas have a slight electoral bias in the seats (but not to the degree of, uh, certain other places), and greenland is pretty much as "rural" as it gets.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
the framing here is kind of frustrating to read. trump doesn't "have" anything here, besides maybe the national guilt of having oopsie'd the waste into the glacier to begin with.Trump’s got a radioactive time bomb under Greenland’s ice
The U.S. would inherit an environmental dilemma of its own making if it lays claim to the massive Arctic island.
Deep in Greenland’s frozen wilderness, a radioactive secret sleeps beneath the ice — and it could be a headache for Donald Trump if the U.S. president-elect follows through on his threat to take control of the vast Arctic island. Its name is Camp Century, an American military base built in 1959 during the Cold War in an attempt to develop nuclear launch sites that could survive a Russian strike.
The project, which involved carving a network of tunnels through Greenland’s ice sheet and was powered by a small nuclear reactor, was deemed unfeasible due to the constantly shifting ice and abandoned in 1967. Although the Americans dismantled the reactor and took its nuclear reaction chamber with them when they departed in '67, they left behind thousands of tonnes of waste and debris — including radioactive residue — to be buried under the icecap forever.
But thanks to climate change, forever might come sooner than planned.
As the world warms, Camp Century — which is located in one of the most remote spots on Earth, about 1,500 kilometers north of Nuuk, Greenland’s capital city — has been the focus of renewed interest and anxiety about just how long it will remain entombed. A landmark study published in 2016 found the remains of the abandoned base could be exposed by melting ice and snow toward the end of the 21st century.
More here:
Trump’s got a radioactive time bomb under Greenland’s ice
The U.S. would inherit an environmental dilemma of its own making if it lays claim to the massive Arctic island.
The study:
But if he actually took possession of Greenland, he would inherit the problem. And, just as likely, ignore it.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
oh yea i don't doubt it.
Indeed, the total untrustworthiness of Trump would be the greatest obstacle to a deal like this.
I am also totally conscious that I am committing the same fallacy as the people who are devising imaginary peace deals with Putin, based on what would make sense to them while entirely disregarding what Putin is and wants.
Interesting. Poor Greenland, it's screwed no matter what.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
i wish it weren't so. personally, and i'm by far in the minority here, i'd allow them independence while continuing the subsidies. but it'll never happen.
GenMarshall
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I know it's an OT question but, why no statehood for Puerto Rico? Oh right, GOP does not want to have the "balance of power" disrupted.
Two more Democrat senators would disrupt GOP plans
GenMarshall
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That would be a given with senators. As for representatives.......I'm not 100% sure on the formula on how they come up with a number of representatives
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The ever-obsequious Guardian has just discovered that Trump is already saving some native greenlanders from having their children stolen by the danes!
That is how these things are done...
That is how these things are done...
Yes the United States is basically the only federation which restricts the franchise to residents of states or equivalent, and doesn't give the franchise to residents of territories. That disenfranchisement is why your discussions about representation and the voting always revert to talking about statehood, as though those are necessarily the same thing.
By contrast, in Australia, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, India, Malaysia, Nigeria, Pakistan, residents of the territories (capital districts and otherwise) have representation and voting rights, as well as those in the principal federal units (states, provinces, etc).
So as a Canberran, I still have full political rights even though I don't live in a state, but someone in my exact situation in the US, like Lexicus, does not have full political rights.
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