Should There Be A Palestinian State?
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Sparrowhawk
The Builder
Wow. That's the most cynical thing I have heard in a long time.
Rmsharpe, perhaps you can elaborate as to why a Palestinian state would be necessarily a "corrupt dictatorship"?
Rmsharpe, perhaps you can elaborate as to why a Palestinian state would be necessarily a "corrupt dictatorship"?
I think the CFC community is already familiar with my opinions 
D) but I will brief them anyway.
I say: If they stop terror, accept the conditions they brought on themselves (1967 and NOT 1947 borders), and their own authority starts smashing down on terrorists like a true regime whose aim is peace, and change their education to aim for tolerance, why not?
Israel has no use holding millions of palestiniens with no voting rights whatsoever anyway.
But if they setup a state, and choose terror again, because they want more, I think we should draw a line there instantly when that happens and not let harsh and often discriminative as a result operations linger.
As far as I feel sorry for the palestiniens, who brought their devil on themselves, if they keep blaming the west on their own problems after they get a state, or want a bigger state, and keep blowing innocent Israeli lives with their own, I say **** them.
And you can interpret that however you want, as long as you know I don't mean redoing the holocaust.
D) but I will brief them anyway.I say: If they stop terror, accept the conditions they brought on themselves (1967 and NOT 1947 borders), and their own authority starts smashing down on terrorists like a true regime whose aim is peace, and change their education to aim for tolerance, why not?
Israel has no use holding millions of palestiniens with no voting rights whatsoever anyway.
But if they setup a state, and choose terror again, because they want more, I think we should draw a line there instantly when that happens and not let harsh and often discriminative as a result operations linger.
As far as I feel sorry for the palestiniens, who brought their devil on themselves, if they keep blaming the west on their own problems after they get a state, or want a bigger state, and keep blowing innocent Israeli lives with their own, I say **** them.
And you can interpret that however you want, as long as you know I don't mean redoing the holocaust.
It's the Arab norm.
Can you confront the Colonel in Libya? Nope.
You-ah-tellah Iran who's going to be Ayatollah? Unlikely.
Ever see a Saudi electoral ballot? Can't vote for Kings.
So, what makes you think that protesters in Palestine won't be rebuffed by Arafat's thugs?
Pellaken
The one and only.
areas of the world:
western europe:
Britan, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Austria (and more) = true democracies
asia:
china, N.Korea=communist
Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan= true democracies
Indonesia= quazi democracy
Pakistan=dictatorship
Africa:
Angloa=communist
Zimbabwe=kill_the_whites
somolia=anarchy
nigeria, Kenya=democracy
"the east"
Russia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Albania= quazi democracy
Poland, Czech R., Romania= true democracies
all quite varied, eh?
middle east
saudi arabia, oman, qatar, bahrain, UAE, Jordan= dictatorial monarchies
Syria, Libya, Iraq=dictatorship
Iran=fundamentalist
RM has a point... for once
the closest muslims have come to democracies, are quazi democracies {close... but not true}
for example:
Palistine *actually one of the most democratic muslim 'nations'*
Pakistan *before musharaf*
indonesia
egypt
maylasia
singapore
and the winner, kyrgyzstan, which is also one of the most democratic former soviet republics
true democracy = Republic.
I hate when people use the term "true democracy" as there is NO true democracy.
It's something we should strive for....but people are content to stifle in a Republic-type goverment style.....
Anyway...you can continue the discussion now.
I hate when people use the term "true democracy" as there is NO true democracy.
It's something we should strive for....but people are content to stifle in a Republic-type goverment style.....
Anyway...you can continue the discussion now.
Pellaken
The one and only.
Originally posted by CornMaster
true democracy = Republic.
I hate when people use the term "true democracy" as there is NO true democracy.
It's something we should strive for....but people are content to stifle in a Republic-type goverment style.....
Anyway...you can continue the discussion now.
and I assume the peoples republic of china is a true democracy then?
Greadius
:yeah:
What about South Africa, and especially Botswana... one of the most stable democracies outside the Western world.
I'd have to say you left out a major one in Turkey there. Turkey is a stable and real democracy, and perhaps one of the most underappreciated allies from this side of the Atlantic.
To the issue in the topic...
Why should the fact that another corrupt dictatorship exist prevent its existance? If Israel continues to control the territories as status quo it is a dictatorship anyway. Instead of corruption there will be murder (of course I blame Palestinians for that more than Israeli's but that is besdie the point
)I don't see how Israel can ever exist in peace without removing the volatile elements from its control and responsibility.
dannyevilcat
DESTROYER OF FURNITURE
Yes, I'm surprised as well.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
No, they should not.
Not unless they behave, kill all the Hamas militants etc, stop racist and anti-Semitic propaganda, publicly acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state, impale Arafat on live CNN (
), and guarantee to respect the sovereignty of Israel.
Before any negotiation, there must be a cessation of the vile, evil suicide bombings, and a genuine crackdown on evil militants.
Not unless they behave, kill all the Hamas militants etc, stop racist and anti-Semitic propaganda, publicly acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state, impale Arafat on live CNN (
), and guarantee to respect the sovereignty of Israel.Before any negotiation, there must be a cessation of the vile, evil suicide bombings, and a genuine crackdown on evil militants.
FearlessLeader2
Fundamentalist Loon
I'll change my vote to yes if the new Palestinian state is located in the Marianas Trench.
FearlessLeader2
Fundamentalist Loon
Uh, while there are Muslims in Turkey, the state religion, if I am not mistaken, is atheism. You may have heard of Kemal Ataturk?
we talked about arab countries though, not muslim.
Turkey is not an arab country, the turkish people are insulted when they are called arabs.
The ottoman empire was not an arab empire, it just controlled arabia.
So, try and find a stable true democracy in an arab country and not in a muslim country? any luck?
And egypt... not so much. They are getting close though, maybe it will take them another 50 years.
Turkey is not an arab country, the turkish people are insulted when they are called arabs.
The ottoman empire was not an arab empire, it just controlled arabia.
So, try and find a stable true democracy in an arab country and not in a muslim country? any luck?
And egypt... not so much. They are getting close though, maybe it will take them another 50 years.
G-Man
A One Man's War
Sorry to disappoint you but I voted yes. The Palestinians should have a state of their own. They have a long way to get to the point they should get it but I believe there should be a Palestinian state at some point in the future where this state will agree to have an Israeli state as well.
"And egypt... not so much. They are getting close though, maybe it will take them another 50 years."
Not really. Nasser ruled untill he died. Sa'adath ruled untill he died. mubarak will probably rule untill he'll die. Like the soviet union - they have dictators but when one dies there's another dictator to take over.
G-Man
A One Man's War
Shouldn't their capital be Gaza?
Globber
Professional Slacker
I say yes, just because they will have no more excuse if some of their guys go to attack Israel, which I have no doubt they will do right after getting their state. It will end the skepticism of the rest of the world that the Palestinian leadership are a bunch of power-hungry terrorists and should be wiped off the earth withour further ado. And... they can't blame any internal problems on the West.
I say just give them a state, let them tear themselves apart, and be done with that... Maybe put a Berlin Wall-type thing on Israeli borders
I say just give them a state, let them tear themselves apart, and be done with that... Maybe put a Berlin Wall-type thing on Israeli borders
spycatcher34
Emperor
I say 'No'. And Im not even Israli. Arafat is a terroist. Thats all there is too it. I think Israel is justified in pertecting itself.
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