We can't make peace with Persia because we have allies against Persia. So let's make another alliance so we can continue the Phony Persian War another 20 turns! Our treasury has already been trashed by this series of alliances. We wasted gold that could have went into our army. If we had pikemen and knights instead of spearmen and horsemen our military strength would be enhanced. Reputation, smeputation. How many countries have broken alliances with us already? Are their people crying about reputation?
The polls for past alliances were nearly unanimous. Had we actually made this alliance last turn chat, per my instructions, there would only be a 2 turn discrepancy between the Chinese and English alliances. We did not waste that gold, it kept our army from having to fight. And yes, this war is 'Phony'. We are using it to keep other civs off of our backs.
China, if anyone cares, is south of India. There is lots of jungle down there. If you are worried about China the answer is to upgrade our units and get some on the southern border. Keep friendly relations with India. If China does attack us we could seek alliances with India and perhaps Babylon. The answer to the Chinese threat is not to prolong the war with Persia!
The AI is quite willing to build roads in the jungle. And, BTW, once we see those riders, and we don't have diplomatic agreements with them, it will be too late. They will already have a target, and if it is us, there will be nothing we can do about it. They also are not going to declare war before they start moving their troops north, so saying that we will have plenty of time to prepare is just not true.
As for a quick poll, well, what can I say eyrei? It was your job to do a proper poll along time ago. YOU want an alliance with China and you don't give a darn what the rest of us think. Rather than risk a poll where your proposition has a good chance of being voted down you simply posted your instructions to make the alliance. Not one word from you about how this alliance was voted down in the chat. I'm not a big fan of spot votes but we had 14 citizens vote in that one. That's not a full quorum but it is impressive for a chat vote. This poll shows that there is not unanimous support for your proposal. It shows how divided our citizens are. In light of that you should reconsider and remove your instructions to make this alliance.
The reason a quick poll was posted is because the discussion was still active two days before the chat, so I waited an extra day and posted a quick poll. I believe, legally, my instructions were still valid. Obviously, they did not have to take place on the first turn of the chat. I did intend them that way, however that was made impossible because other actions were taken first. Also, my feelings regarding the validity of spot votes are well known. They have no validity on the forums, thus I do not mention them.
So, since a few citizens disagree, I have to remove my instructions? I think not...that would make the game unworkable. I am however, willing to abide by the results of this poll rather than debate its questionable validity.
