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So far. these are confirmed
1. UU is Chang Buen (ช้างปืน) Literally gun elephant and definitely ranged choices for the entire Age.
This historically represents how did Siamese use elephant mounted field artillery pieces longer than anybody else. while not really unique (everyone else around them use the same Gun Elephants of different types), the more famous was Mughals which use bigger elephants. the other example was a straightforward evolution of Dai Viet's Voi Chien (Rival in the Early Rattakosin era. ended when the Empire fell to the French Empire, and rivalty resumed after the fall of French Empire) and maybe somebody else. however the use was continued for maybe even as late as Shan State Campaign in 1942. either as elephants being pack animals, or gun platform. while anybody else stopped using it.
Alternatively another name could be Mountain Gun. since Siamese field artillery pieces up until the Cold War were primarily mountain pieces. see how these can be mounted on a howdah?.
And there's a good reason -- bad roads before 1970-1980s.
This is good. because it doesn't replace Cavalry lineage. (Siam did even form a regiment of Guards Cavalry composed of Cuirassiers! by the mid-19th Century, These cuirassiers however were reformed into a generic 'cavalry' and no longer wears cuirass as parade uniform). this because I saw them using the same Rhomboid Landship. (Which it is very hypothetic based on Siamese participations in WW1 with The Allies, In truth only four countries in the world had these Rhomboid tanks; Great Britain, The United States of America, Japan (A permanent exhibitions at Yasukuni Shrine), and Soviet Union (Looted). The First tracked AFVs Royal Siamese Army had was actually a tankette - Carden Lloyd Mk. IV. bought about a decade after the War is concluded.)
2. Emblem is Elephant. exactly National Emblem. Appeared on the Kingdom Flag until King Vajiravudh's era which Five-strips Triranga replaced it (it was much easier to replicate, and can be raised with either side flipped upwards. The only reason the White Elephant Flag was replaced is that raising it wrong side gives out rather embarasing view with an elephant has its belly upwards, a sign of bad luck.
The emblem itself however was reappeared as an emblem of Siam Cement Group. even the most recent emblem has the same white elephant placed at the center of a red hexagon.
en.wikipedia.org
3. Archetecture. and roofs are green. this is NOT Siamese favorite roof color. instead the preferred color is red, or brick red (simply lacquered ceramics shringles).
This will eventually fall to modders to fix it up.
What shown up so far is primarily based on Dusit Palace inside the Grand Palace Complex.
4. Doi Suthep being civ associated wonder*. Not what appeals to me at all. Doi Suthep itself was built with clearly Burmese Archetecture (and built LONG BEFORE Siam formally annexed Lanna by several centuries). There are better choices all around Menam Basin. Anything that's built before 1850s or 1900s. Why not The Golden Mountain or Loha Prasat instead? (I've yet to visit the two. I'm more interested in going to The Golden Mountain since The True Relic piece is there, and it was the place where much of ancient arts, and arcane sorcery is kept and taught there, including Horology. a Hora i've bougth his service learned horology from there (The actual name of a temple complex where The Golden Mountain is seated is Wat Saket (วัดสระเกศ).
Or even Wat Arun ?
5. Default Leader Matchings: King Asoke*
6. Confirmed Settlement name is Chachoengsao (ฉะเชิงเทรา). which IRL an inland city that has much of industrial complex built due to the close proximity to heavily industrailized Chonburi (ชลบุรี)*
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My Speculations
1. Starting Bias is Navigable River and Jungles. (What can you think of Southeast Asia without jungles?)
2. Civ Ability name may be either 'Bhan Mueang' (บ้านเมือง), or 'Nakorn bhan' (นครบาล).
3. Diplomatic ability includes annexing minor faction using special agent. (so far much of basic game mechanics are not confirmed, particularly Culture Wars whether if it used the same rules as Rise and Fall). This abililty is 'Thesapibhan' (เทศาภิบาล). Granted that player has a very good relationship with that MF. For Example, if the United States of America annexes Tashkent using military force*. Siam can do with Diplomacy (This reflects how Lanna and Isaan were won)
4. Unique Infrastructures may be either
- Bhaang (บาง), Residential Area that can be built next to each other, the first one however must be built right next to the navigable rivers.
- Dalat Nam (ตลาดน้ำ), either as a quarter or just a building.
- Sanam Muay (สนามมวย) or Weti Muay (เวทีมวย). basically means Boxing Ring. but actually these are the venues of national fighting sports - 'Muay Thai' - competition is.
^ Rajadamnern Stadium. Built with Art Deco archetecture. well preserved with Streamliner era charm. Most famous of being one of the oldest standing boxing ring, and it stood where it was, 79 years ago. and still active.
5. UC may be Kha Luang (ข้าหลวง) - A dandy dressing civil servant that can annex friendly minor factions within a certain range of the nearest owned CITY. can only be trained one at a time.
These may or may not be correct. But all should be based upon Rattanakosin era from the beginning to Present (or at least the Beginning of Cold War).
What's yours?
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Notes
1. I'm not really used to TGS Romanization system. It's not really accepted by fellow Thai folks, unlike other Romanizations of Asian Languages which all are more 'Loud and Clear'. But basically the TGS is heavily influenced by PRC's Hanyu Pinyin romanizations. allegedy created by Kukrit Pramos.
2. *17th December Modern Age demonstration video. I did NOT finish watching the entire videofeed because it was too late that night and I only attend a full hour from the beginning.
EDIT: Refined.
1. UU is Chang Buen (ช้างปืน) Literally gun elephant and definitely ranged choices for the entire Age.
This historically represents how did Siamese use elephant mounted field artillery pieces longer than anybody else. while not really unique (everyone else around them use the same Gun Elephants of different types), the more famous was Mughals which use bigger elephants. the other example was a straightforward evolution of Dai Viet's Voi Chien (Rival in the Early Rattakosin era. ended when the Empire fell to the French Empire, and rivalty resumed after the fall of French Empire) and maybe somebody else. however the use was continued for maybe even as late as Shan State Campaign in 1942. either as elephants being pack animals, or gun platform. while anybody else stopped using it.
Alternatively another name could be Mountain Gun. since Siamese field artillery pieces up until the Cold War were primarily mountain pieces. see how these can be mounted on a howdah?.
And there's a good reason -- bad roads before 1970-1980s.
This is good. because it doesn't replace Cavalry lineage. (Siam did even form a regiment of Guards Cavalry composed of Cuirassiers! by the mid-19th Century, These cuirassiers however were reformed into a generic 'cavalry' and no longer wears cuirass as parade uniform). this because I saw them using the same Rhomboid Landship. (Which it is very hypothetic based on Siamese participations in WW1 with The Allies, In truth only four countries in the world had these Rhomboid tanks; Great Britain, The United States of America, Japan (A permanent exhibitions at Yasukuni Shrine), and Soviet Union (Looted). The First tracked AFVs Royal Siamese Army had was actually a tankette - Carden Lloyd Mk. IV. bought about a decade after the War is concluded.)
2. Emblem is Elephant. exactly National Emblem. Appeared on the Kingdom Flag until King Vajiravudh's era which Five-strips Triranga replaced it (it was much easier to replicate, and can be raised with either side flipped upwards. The only reason the White Elephant Flag was replaced is that raising it wrong side gives out rather embarasing view with an elephant has its belly upwards, a sign of bad luck.
The emblem itself however was reappeared as an emblem of Siam Cement Group. even the most recent emblem has the same white elephant placed at the center of a red hexagon.

Siam Cement Group - Wikipedia
3. Archetecture. and roofs are green. this is NOT Siamese favorite roof color. instead the preferred color is red, or brick red (simply lacquered ceramics shringles).
This will eventually fall to modders to fix it up.
What shown up so far is primarily based on Dusit Palace inside the Grand Palace Complex.
4. Doi Suthep being civ associated wonder*. Not what appeals to me at all. Doi Suthep itself was built with clearly Burmese Archetecture (and built LONG BEFORE Siam formally annexed Lanna by several centuries). There are better choices all around Menam Basin. Anything that's built before 1850s or 1900s. Why not The Golden Mountain or Loha Prasat instead? (I've yet to visit the two. I'm more interested in going to The Golden Mountain since The True Relic piece is there, and it was the place where much of ancient arts, and arcane sorcery is kept and taught there, including Horology. a Hora i've bougth his service learned horology from there (The actual name of a temple complex where The Golden Mountain is seated is Wat Saket (วัดสระเกศ).
Or even Wat Arun ?
5. Default Leader Matchings: King Asoke*
6. Confirmed Settlement name is Chachoengsao (ฉะเชิงเทรา). which IRL an inland city that has much of industrial complex built due to the close proximity to heavily industrailized Chonburi (ชลบุรี)*
------------------
My Speculations
1. Starting Bias is Navigable River and Jungles. (What can you think of Southeast Asia without jungles?)
2. Civ Ability name may be either 'Bhan Mueang' (บ้านเมือง), or 'Nakorn bhan' (นครบาล).
3. Diplomatic ability includes annexing minor faction using special agent. (so far much of basic game mechanics are not confirmed, particularly Culture Wars whether if it used the same rules as Rise and Fall). This abililty is 'Thesapibhan' (เทศาภิบาล). Granted that player has a very good relationship with that MF. For Example, if the United States of America annexes Tashkent using military force*. Siam can do with Diplomacy (This reflects how Lanna and Isaan were won)
4. Unique Infrastructures may be either
- Bhaang (บาง), Residential Area that can be built next to each other, the first one however must be built right next to the navigable rivers.
- Dalat Nam (ตลาดน้ำ), either as a quarter or just a building.
- Sanam Muay (สนามมวย) or Weti Muay (เวทีมวย). basically means Boxing Ring. but actually these are the venues of national fighting sports - 'Muay Thai' - competition is.
^ Rajadamnern Stadium. Built with Art Deco archetecture. well preserved with Streamliner era charm. Most famous of being one of the oldest standing boxing ring, and it stood where it was, 79 years ago. and still active.
5. UC may be Kha Luang (ข้าหลวง) - A dandy dressing civil servant that can annex friendly minor factions within a certain range of the nearest owned CITY. can only be trained one at a time.
These may or may not be correct. But all should be based upon Rattanakosin era from the beginning to Present (or at least the Beginning of Cold War).
What's yours?
--------------------------------------------------------
Notes
1. I'm not really used to TGS Romanization system. It's not really accepted by fellow Thai folks, unlike other Romanizations of Asian Languages which all are more 'Loud and Clear'. But basically the TGS is heavily influenced by PRC's Hanyu Pinyin romanizations. allegedy created by Kukrit Pramos.
2. *17th December Modern Age demonstration video. I did NOT finish watching the entire videofeed because it was too late that night and I only attend a full hour from the beginning.
EDIT: Refined.
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