Sirp's Training Day Game for Aspiring Monarchs
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Preturn: Check out builds looking for anything that could be whipped. Sparta has a taxman and is 17 shields from a temple. I 
it. We revolt! Pull 6 turns 
Scroll through and hire entertainers as needed.
IT: nothing
Turn 1-430 BC: worker tasks. Thermo riots. I knew it would but it was a calculated risk. If I had hired enough clowns it would have starved in 5. It should make it through the anarchy without starving now.
IT: Romans are building the Great Library.
Turn 2-410 BC: not much.
IT: Monty sure is moving a bunch of troops around. Makes me a little nervous.
Turn 3-390 BC: Move settler and thats about it.
IT: Barb galley attacks and dies. Ours is untouched.
Turn 4-370 BC: Zzzzzz
IT: Our galley crew watches an elite Roman archer take out a barb camp.
Turn 5-350 BC: Move the settler and set some worker tasks. Herakleia grew this turn so I have to hire another clown. BTW, I had miscalculated with Thermo. I didnt need to do that. It would not have starved. I had looked at the red symbols in the food box instead of the actual numbers. My
IT: nada
Turn 6-330 BC: We are a Republic! Go through and fire all the clowns. Knossos changed from hoplite to harbor. It needs the food and doesnt have a barracks. We should be making nothing but vets IMHO. It can get one from Athens. Boy do we need the happiness improvements! I have to run 20% lux to keep Sparta and Thermo from rioting. Slider is at 4.4.2 with Currency in 5 at
10gpt. Diplo check: Hammi has squat. Down Philo and Lit.
Monty has Construction. Hes cautious and so is Hammi. To be expected with us switching govt.
Rome also has Construction. It would take Philo and 145 gold to get it from him. Monty wants even more. See what happens when Currency comes in.
IT:
Turn 7-310 BC: Not much. Everyone plugging away. Move settler, galley etc.
IT: Barb galley attacks and dies. Ours is a vet now.
Turn 8-290 BC: Athens hoplite>settler. Sparta riots. Damn! I had seen it was going to grow and just spaced it. I dont want to run 30% lux just for this 1 city so I hire a taxman. Change Sparta to a worker. Maybe the temple there wasnt such a good idea.
Babs are building the Great Library. A jag moves into our territory next to Ephesus. We have a elite warrior and a reg. hoplite in the city. Im going to just wait and see what he does. If I had vet hoplites everywhere and about 10 or 15 horses I would smack him in a heartbeat.
(Honorably of course.) 
Drop research to 30% and still get Currency in 3. That stops the bleeding. We are breaking even.
IT: nada
Turn 9-270 BC: Delphi galley>temple. Sparta worker>hoplite. That jag is up to no good. We need to prepare for war.
IT: nada
Turn 10-250 BC: Thessa worker>library.
Summary. There is a worker between Pharsalos and Mycenae. I was going to have him help the other one at Mycenae hook up those spices. We need them bad! Our worker roading towards Knossos also needs help. I left the galley due East of Athens so it can ferry the settler/hoplite pair up north. That will be much faster than walking.
Re the settler/hoplite pair up north. I thought 1 tile due north of where they stand now would be good. Yeah it misses the cattle but the next one can grab that. This will be Stormriders decision in any case. Put them where you want!
That jag is south of Sparta. I have our elite warrior with a worker in his range. I also pulled a hoplite out of Thermo to guard 2 workers there. I dont trust Monty as far as I can spit. Hes probably just looking around but you never know.
Our military is average against him and Rome. We are strong compared to Hammi.
Currency is due next turn. We need to get our wines and spices hooked and get markets going.
I think we should also consider laying some smack down on Monty in the near future.
Edit: I seriously considered rushing the library in Ephesus, but thought we might want to upgrade some warriors to swords, so I didn't spend the cash.
it. We revolt! Pull 6 turns Scroll through and hire entertainers as needed.
IT: nothing
Turn 1-430 BC: worker tasks. Thermo riots. I knew it would but it was a calculated risk. If I had hired enough clowns it would have starved in 5. It should make it through the anarchy without starving now.
IT: Romans are building the Great Library.
Turn 2-410 BC: not much.
IT: Monty sure is moving a bunch of troops around. Makes me a little nervous.
Turn 3-390 BC: Move settler and thats about it.
IT: Barb galley attacks and dies. Ours is untouched.
Turn 4-370 BC: Zzzzzz
IT: Our galley crew watches an elite Roman archer take out a barb camp.
Turn 5-350 BC: Move the settler and set some worker tasks. Herakleia grew this turn so I have to hire another clown. BTW, I had miscalculated with Thermo. I didnt need to do that. It would not have starved. I had looked at the red symbols in the food box instead of the actual numbers. My
IT: nada
Turn 6-330 BC: We are a Republic! Go through and fire all the clowns. Knossos changed from hoplite to harbor. It needs the food and doesnt have a barracks. We should be making nothing but vets IMHO. It can get one from Athens. Boy do we need the happiness improvements! I have to run 20% lux to keep Sparta and Thermo from rioting. Slider is at 4.4.2 with Currency in 5 at
10gpt. Diplo check: Hammi has squat. Down Philo and Lit.
Monty has Construction. Hes cautious and so is Hammi. To be expected with us switching govt.
Rome also has Construction. It would take Philo and 145 gold to get it from him. Monty wants even more. See what happens when Currency comes in.
IT:
Turn 7-310 BC: Not much. Everyone plugging away. Move settler, galley etc.
IT: Barb galley attacks and dies. Ours is a vet now.
Turn 8-290 BC: Athens hoplite>settler. Sparta riots. Damn! I had seen it was going to grow and just spaced it.
I dont want to run 30% lux just for this 1 city so I hire a taxman. Change Sparta to a worker. Maybe the temple there wasnt such a good idea.Babs are building the Great Library. A jag moves into our territory next to Ephesus. We have a elite warrior and a reg. hoplite in the city. Im going to just wait and see what he does. If I had vet hoplites everywhere and about 10 or 15 horses I would smack him in a heartbeat.
(Honorably of course.) Drop research to 30% and still get Currency in 3. That stops the bleeding. We are breaking even.
IT: nada
Turn 9-270 BC: Delphi galley>temple. Sparta worker>hoplite. That jag is up to no good. We need to prepare for war.
IT: nada
Turn 10-250 BC: Thessa worker>library.
Summary. There is a worker between Pharsalos and Mycenae. I was going to have him help the other one at Mycenae hook up those spices. We need them bad! Our worker roading towards Knossos also needs help. I left the galley due East of Athens so it can ferry the settler/hoplite pair up north. That will be much faster than walking.
Re the settler/hoplite pair up north. I thought 1 tile due north of where they stand now would be good. Yeah it misses the cattle but the next one can grab that. This will be Stormriders decision in any case. Put them where you want!
That jag is south of Sparta. I have our elite warrior with a worker in his range. I also pulled a hoplite out of Thermo to guard 2 workers there. I dont trust Monty as far as I can spit. Hes probably just looking around but you never know.
Our military is average against him and Rome. We are strong compared to Hammi.
Currency is due next turn. We need to get our wines and spices hooked and get markets going.
I think we should also consider laying some smack down on Monty in the near future.
Edit: I seriously considered rushing the library in Ephesus, but thought we might want to upgrade some warriors to swords, so I didn't spend the cash.
You saw that it was *already* having trouble keeping its people happy, and you whipped it?
How long does Sparta take to produce 17 shields? Not very!Whipping is useful on cities that have very low shield output. Sparta would have been able to make up those shields in about two turns.
I really don't understand why I suggested that Mycenae have its library whipped, and you and Renata decided to go and have one huge whipping-fest
This is what you have to do with cities that are losing food in Anarchy. You make them riot every second turn - rioting consecutive turns risks them destroying improvements, so you don't allow that, but letting them riot every other turn stops them losing food on every alternate turn.
It's not like they lose anything out of rioting, you're in anarchy anyway!
That's the same thing I thought on my turn
Having to run 20% lux isn't so bad. It'd be less soon if you hadn't whipped Sparta.
Very good move not to buy it yet. Remember, for all the improvements Construction provides, we don't really need or want any of them. The biggest thing it adds is aqueducts, but we don't need any of them right now!
When playing at the higher levels, if you don't *need* a technology right now, then consider waiting for it. Very good to do so here.
You should have rushed it. We want to outculture Tlaxclala, which almost certainly has just a temple. It'll take a while for a library to catch up and overtake a temple, and if we wait until Ephesus builds it, that 'while' will be about 50 turns, by which time the temple will be close to getting its doubling.
If we want cash for upgrades, not a problem, just cut research for a little while. Further, we should be able to get some cash off our rivals once Currency comes in.
Btw, it's good to see our rivals *still* don't have Philosophy. Try to keep it from them as long as possible. While we're in Republic and they're stuck in Despotism, we get a huge advantage. It'd be great if they ended up getting Monarchy before Republic and revolted into that!
(Note: I haven't actually been able to look at the saved game yet! More comments may follow once I look at it).
-Sirp.
Originally posted by Sirp
You saw that it was *already* having trouble keeping its people happy, and you whipped it?
Yeah, that was really bad
there. Hopefully it was my only one.Stormrider
Civ Journeyman
Got it.
bewareofgnomes
Back Again
i just read all of this hread tonight and its great! i am playing monarchy right now and im having a little bit of trouble being the peaceful builder/researcher that i am. the only way im surviving is by having monoplies on techs such as demo and atomic theroy. man does TOE elp alot. sorry about the off-topic post. im just sad that 1) i couldnt get in, and 2) my civ3 disk is scratched and im civ3less 
Stormrider
Civ Journeyman
All,
I got through one whole turn last night. I will finish tonight.
My weakest point, I feel, is when it comes to tech trading with the AI. Am I giving away the farm, how do I do 2 for one deals, etc...
Here is my specific: Rome will offer 202g (out of his 207g) and Construction for Currency. My gut would be to do this, as it would double our $ and I could upgrade some of our warriors to swords for the eventual showdown with Monty.
Monty will give all his $ (27g), Constr. and WM for currency.
If I do the Rome trade, should I do the Monty trade as well, since Rome will probably trade it to Monty or do I just trade with Rome and hope the tech is valuable enough that Rome does not trade it to Monty for $27 and WM.
My gut would be to trade with Rome, but not Monty. Is my gut right?
I got through one whole turn last night. I will finish tonight.
My weakest point, I feel, is when it comes to tech trading with the AI. Am I giving away the farm, how do I do 2 for one deals, etc...
Here is my specific: Rome will offer 202g (out of his 207g) and Construction for Currency. My gut would be to do this, as it would double our $ and I could upgrade some of our warriors to swords for the eventual showdown with Monty.
Monty will give all his $ (27g), Constr. and WM for currency.
If I do the Rome trade, should I do the Monty trade as well, since Rome will probably trade it to Monty or do I just trade with Rome and hope the tech is valuable enough that Rome does not trade it to Monty for $27 and WM.
My gut would be to trade with Rome, but not Monty. Is my gut right?
You're asking me?
Actually, my gut says not to trade with either. I'm kinda liking the slow tech pace on our continent, and we dont' really need the cash. We only have four vet warriors at the moment, which is only 160g to upgrade. Our cash flow difficulties will go away as soon as we have a marketplace or two. And the other continent can't be too far ahead (or at least no more than one of the unknown civs is too far ahead) since we haven't seen any barbarian hordes yet. We're still up Philo, right? What does Rome offer for that? Has it dropped any? If so, that's what he's researching. Harder to tell what Monty's up to, since he has so little cash on hand.
Anyway, I'd hold off. We can research poly next and still be able to trade for construction with that, even if Rome and/or the Aztecs go for currency.
Renata
PS If I *did* do the trade, I'd trade to both. Not sure if that's the best thing to do, but it's what I normally do unless the second civ is flat broke.
edited because I can't multiply
Actually, my gut says not to trade with either. I'm kinda liking the slow tech pace on our continent, and we dont' really need the cash. We only have four vet warriors at the moment, which is only 160g to upgrade. Our cash flow difficulties will go away as soon as we have a marketplace or two. And the other continent can't be too far ahead (or at least no more than one of the unknown civs is too far ahead) since we haven't seen any barbarian hordes yet. We're still up Philo, right? What does Rome offer for that? Has it dropped any? If so, that's what he's researching. Harder to tell what Monty's up to, since he has so little cash on hand.
Anyway, I'd hold off. We can research poly next and still be able to trade for construction with that, even if Rome and/or the Aztecs go for currency.
Renata
PS If I *did* do the trade, I'd trade to both. Not sure if that's the best thing to do, but it's what I normally do unless the second civ is flat broke.
edited because I can't multiply
Originally posted by bewareofgnomes
2) my civ3 disk is scratched and im civ3less
Are you in the USA or have the USA version? If so, there is a no CD executable out there on the web. If you already have the game installed this would get you up and running.
PM or e-mail me and I will send you a link.
There's no way we'd trade with Monty, when he'd only give us 27 gold for it. Caesar would be very foolish to trade it with Monty under those terms.
I'm assuming that Renata wants so slow the tech pace so that we still have time to fit in an ancient-age war. This isn't an unreasonable strategy if that's what we want.
On the other hand, giving us Construction plus the money is also appealing. The attraction of the cash isn't so much the ability to upgrade warriors, as it is to be able to fund deficit research. Using the cash Caesar gives us, we'll be able to research Poly at a very high rate, sending us into the next age (at which time we'll get a free technology), and well ahead of our opponents.
I don't really want to say what I'd do though, I want you to make up your mind about it Stormrider, giving reasons to justify your decision. Think about the possibilities after we do the trade - the possible things we could research, and the possible things the other civilizations could research.
-Sirp.
I'm assuming that Renata wants so slow the tech pace so that we still have time to fit in an ancient-age war. This isn't an unreasonable strategy if that's what we want.
On the other hand, giving us Construction plus the money is also appealing. The attraction of the cash isn't so much the ability to upgrade warriors, as it is to be able to fund deficit research. Using the cash Caesar gives us, we'll be able to research Poly at a very high rate, sending us into the next age (at which time we'll get a free technology), and well ahead of our opponents.
I don't really want to say what I'd do though, I want you to make up your mind about it Stormrider, giving reasons to justify your decision. Think about the possibilities after we do the trade - the possible things we could research, and the possible things the other civilizations could research.
-Sirp.
Actually, no, you give me too much credit. It was as I said, a gut instinct, and my tendency in any jump to a level I haven't played at before: slow AI research = good thing. I then attempted to justify that instinct.
By the way, I am most likely going to have to skip my next turn (possibly my next two), unless my take-home midterm goes a lot faster than it looks like it will. I'll keep you updated.
Renata
The AI tech pace going along fast generally isn't so bad, as long as your tech pace is going along nicely too. (or you're confident you can catch up later, which is the way it works on harder levels).
If we were on Deity, we'd *definitely* want to accept Rome's offer. The higher the level, the harder it is to keep the AI back, and on Deity you have to learn to stop trying. You accept that they'll move along rapidly, and just hop on and join the crazy ride, making sure that you manage to get as much as you can out of it.
Sorry to hear that R/L has caught up with you Renata, it has a nasty habit of doing that sometimes. Keep us posted!
-Sirp.
If we were on Deity, we'd *definitely* want to accept Rome's offer. The higher the level, the harder it is to keep the AI back, and on Deity you have to learn to stop trying. You accept that they'll move along rapidly, and just hop on and join the crazy ride, making sure that you manage to get as much as you can out of it.
Sorry to hear that R/L has caught up with you Renata, it has a nasty habit of doing that sometimes. Keep us posted!
-Sirp.
Stormrider
Civ Journeyman
I finished my turn last night. I will post my update and the save file later today. I have a couple of meetings I need to attend first. Too bad you can't make a living playing Civ...
Stormrider
Civ Journeyman
Preturn: Empire looking good. I will probably spend most of my turn building infrastructure, unless one of the AI's gets sassy
1) 230BC Athens Settler -> Marketplace. After that Hopi to replace escort I am sending with Settler. Settler / Hopi to catch up with galley at delphi
Corinth Horse -> Library. Corinth's horse to Thermo and Aztec borderlands.
Settler/Hopi move N for city site.
Re-depoly extra warrior in Sparta towards Ephesus.
Workers to spice north of Mycanae. Need extra lux online ASAP. Long turn goal - get wine hooked up in Choke. Explore w/ southern galley.
2) 210 BC) Therm Temple -> Mktplace. Found Eritrea -> Library. There is a 1 space gap culturally from the rset of the choke cities. Move workers around for infrastructure. Load galley with Set/Hopi by Delphi for Choke area. Warrior moves to mountain next to Ephes.
Caesar gives me 202 gold (out of 207) and construction for currency. 4.4.2 Poly in 6 // -13gpt. Roading spice
Reasons for the tech trade: $ = deficit spending on research + until we get more lux and mktplaces, we need cash in the Republic. Since we can no longer whip, I also want some $ for emergencies. Plus Currency does not lead directly to any better governments.
3) 190BC Athens Hopi-> Mkt // SP Hopi-> Mkt Unload galley after its move as there is a barb galley next to it. Workers work Upgrade warrior in Sparta to sword
IT Pharsalos Horse -> Temple. Barb galley sinks us. Aztecs in our territory. - Jag middle / Archer next to Ephesus
4) 170BC Settler pair N to new city spot. As workers move, I move their military escort. I am escorting them due to the Jag wandering around in our territory. We are not ready to tangle with Monty yet, so I do not ask them to leave. I just keep adding incidents into my 'Reasons to exterminate the Aztecs' list.
IT Az start GW
5) 150 BC Troy in choke. Explore w/ galley.
6) 130 BC Move troops towards S border -> Near Ephesus Roman/Aztec build-up. workers to bring next incense on-line. Poly next turn. Working to road through choke. Did not chop down jungle first intentionally - want to connect ASAP
IT Poly and Mono -> Theology New era = Massive barb surge by Troy. Yikes. We got 330 gold. Still will deficit spend. Will probably buy some defense for Troy...
7) 110BC Spice online/ drop lux 4.5.1 Theo in 12, gpt-13. Move horse towards choke
IT) Xochicalco asks joins our party. I set it for library. Roman Set pair in our territory
8) 90BC Still no site of barbs. Not much = explore, move horse. Ask Rome to leave - he says ok.
9) 70BC Ephesus Lib -> Walls - Where rome and azteca meet greece - can veto. Ask rome to leave, not not forced out yet
Hurry Hoplite at Troy for Barbs
IT Barbs show up at Troy
10 50BC troy - hopi -walls set to whatever. Delphi Temple -> Mkt
Most of military not in cities is guarding work parties
Workers b/t Xo and Mycanea -> road
There are 4 babrs in attacking distance of Troy.
Deficit spending on research
Ephesus - I was in a rush and left the default build order - Please review
Romans and Aztecs have some troops in our territory. Not enough to concern me, but they bear watching.
Should we now bu
Here is the file: SP4-50BC.ZIP
1) 230BC Athens Settler -> Marketplace. After that Hopi to replace escort I am sending with Settler. Settler / Hopi to catch up with galley at delphi
Corinth Horse -> Library. Corinth's horse to Thermo and Aztec borderlands.
Settler/Hopi move N for city site.
Re-depoly extra warrior in Sparta towards Ephesus.
Workers to spice north of Mycanae. Need extra lux online ASAP. Long turn goal - get wine hooked up in Choke. Explore w/ southern galley.
2) 210 BC) Therm Temple -> Mktplace. Found Eritrea -> Library. There is a 1 space gap culturally from the rset of the choke cities. Move workers around for infrastructure. Load galley with Set/Hopi by Delphi for Choke area. Warrior moves to mountain next to Ephes.
Caesar gives me 202 gold (out of 207) and construction for currency. 4.4.2 Poly in 6 // -13gpt. Roading spice
Reasons for the tech trade: $ = deficit spending on research + until we get more lux and mktplaces, we need cash in the Republic. Since we can no longer whip, I also want some $ for emergencies. Plus Currency does not lead directly to any better governments.
3) 190BC Athens Hopi-> Mkt // SP Hopi-> Mkt Unload galley after its move as there is a barb galley next to it. Workers work Upgrade warrior in Sparta to sword
IT Pharsalos Horse -> Temple. Barb galley sinks us. Aztecs in our territory. - Jag middle / Archer next to Ephesus
4) 170BC Settler pair N to new city spot. As workers move, I move their military escort. I am escorting them due to the Jag wandering around in our territory. We are not ready to tangle with Monty yet, so I do not ask them to leave. I just keep adding incidents into my 'Reasons to exterminate the Aztecs' list.
IT Az start GW
5) 150 BC Troy in choke. Explore w/ galley.
6) 130 BC Move troops towards S border -> Near Ephesus Roman/Aztec build-up. workers to bring next incense on-line. Poly next turn. Working to road through choke. Did not chop down jungle first intentionally - want to connect ASAP
IT Poly and Mono -> Theology New era = Massive barb surge by Troy. Yikes. We got 330 gold. Still will deficit spend. Will probably buy some defense for Troy...
7) 110BC Spice online/ drop lux 4.5.1 Theo in 12, gpt-13. Move horse towards choke
IT) Xochicalco asks joins our party. I set it for library. Roman Set pair in our territory
8) 90BC Still no site of barbs. Not much = explore, move horse. Ask Rome to leave - he says ok.
9) 70BC Ephesus Lib -> Walls - Where rome and azteca meet greece - can veto. Ask rome to leave, not not forced out yet
Hurry Hoplite at Troy for Barbs
IT Barbs show up at Troy
10 50BC troy - hopi -walls set to whatever. Delphi Temple -> Mkt
Most of military not in cities is guarding work parties
Workers b/t Xo and Mycanea -> road
There are 4 babrs in attacking distance of Troy.
Deficit spending on research
Ephesus - I was in a rush and left the default build order - Please review
Romans and Aztecs have some troops in our territory. Not enough to concern me, but they bear watching.
Should we now bu
Here is the file: SP4-50BC.ZIP
Stormrider
Civ Journeyman
I give up!!!! How do you attach a stupid jpg image to a message
hotrod0823
Deity
Stromrider use the img tags and the url just like the save game.
@ Stormrider: whew! that you let off that settler pair before the galley got sunk. Good job - I sometimes forget to do things like that. And very cool about Xochicalco - I didn't *think* that town could manage to remain in the Aztec empire for very long, but nice to see it happen so fast.
Re: Xochicalco - any thoughts of abandoning the town via settler then resettling one tile west? It would give us a western port and reduce some of the excessive overlap with Mycenae. Or we could go NW to avoid cultural overlap with Tlacopan and still get the port.
Renata
Re: Xochicalco - any thoughts of abandoning the town via settler then resettling one tile west? It would give us a western port and reduce some of the excessive overlap with Mycenae. Or we could go NW to avoid cultural overlap with Tlacopan and still get the port.
Renata
Stormrider, when you upload a zip of the save, please call the file inside the zip SP4-50BC.sav - not the default name which has spaces in it. Some zip programs have problems with archives containing files with spaces in their names.
A good sentiment, however you did neglect one of the most crucial types of infrastructure of all: workers. Sparta and Athens can both churn out workers very fast, but you instead committed them to each building a marketplace.
Marketplaces are good improvements, but we don't need them immediately. We can handle losing money while we research, and just selling off our techs to fund us. We showed that when we sold currency to the Romans.
While getting Athens to build a marketplace was probably a good idea, keeping Sparta on worker production for a while would have been better. You could have produced 5 workers over the course of your turn. They'd have increased our income fast with the infrastructure they'd have built.
In fact, a suggestion for the next player (Shaesha): keep Sparta producing workers and/or settlers, and let Athens grow big. Get workers to build infrastructure around Athens, and it will become a center of commerce and production. We can build a cathedral there, and we almost have three luxuries under our control. This will allow us to grow the city all the way to size 12.
After we have enough workers (around 30) for a while (we'll still want to slowly increase our number of workers from there).
Also, we still haven't started on our Forbidden Palace. Thermopylae is most of the way through a Marketplace, my suggestion to the next player is to switch it to an FP.
About the state the save was left in:
- Sparta has an entertainer, but setting the entertainer to work doesn't cause disorder.
- Athens is set to maximize production. Why? Set it to maximize growth! Production will come later.
And ack! I have to go to work now. More comments will follow later. Shaesha is up.
-Sirp.
A good sentiment, however you did neglect one of the most crucial types of infrastructure of all: workers. Sparta and Athens can both churn out workers very fast, but you instead committed them to each building a marketplace.
Marketplaces are good improvements, but we don't need them immediately. We can handle losing money while we research, and just selling off our techs to fund us. We showed that when we sold currency to the Romans.
While getting Athens to build a marketplace was probably a good idea, keeping Sparta on worker production for a while would have been better. You could have produced 5 workers over the course of your turn. They'd have increased our income fast with the infrastructure they'd have built.
In fact, a suggestion for the next player (Shaesha): keep Sparta producing workers and/or settlers, and let Athens grow big. Get workers to build infrastructure around Athens, and it will become a center of commerce and production. We can build a cathedral there, and we almost have three luxuries under our control. This will allow us to grow the city all the way to size 12.
After we have enough workers (around 30) for a while (we'll still want to slowly increase our number of workers from there).
Also, we still haven't started on our Forbidden Palace. Thermopylae is most of the way through a Marketplace, my suggestion to the next player is to switch it to an FP.
About the state the save was left in:
- Sparta has an entertainer, but setting the entertainer to work doesn't cause disorder.
- Athens is set to maximize production. Why? Set it to maximize growth! Production will come later.
And ack! I have to go to work now. More comments will follow later. Shaesha is up.
-Sirp.
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