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So how many people lost their jobs because of the health care law?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Murky, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. Murky

    Murky Chieftain

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    You frequently hear the conservatives in congress and republican candidates saying how they are going to do everything they can to repeal the "job killing" Obama care law.

    So what are the numbers? How many have actually lost their jobs because of this law?

    for reference
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

     
  2. BornInCantaloup

    BornInCantaloup A Shadow for the Warrior

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    Care to explain how healthcare and job loss would even start being related ? This is by no means obvious. :eek:

    If you're going to quote Wikipedia, consider quoting the relevant part. It does, after all, answer your question (my italics - I know people read fast):
    Wiki says: mayonnaise!


    Edit:
    The FactCheck article seems reasonable.

    Edit2: Sorry for my abrupt tone. I really don't think spreading these kinds of strictly partisan discourses helps. That is all. Then again, I'm no US citizen. Maybe you hear what seems to me like a shot in the dark on a daily basis.
     
  3. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    I think it would be reasonable to think that the regulatory uncertainty over the last few months (and really, even now, since there are lots of unanswered regulatory and implementation questions) could potentially be a drag on hiring.
     
  4. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Most of the bill hasn't been enacted anywayz..
     
  5. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy

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    If some conservatives get their way, Chief Justice Roberts is going to lose his job over this law.
     
  6. BornInCantaloup

    BornInCantaloup A Shadow for the Warrior

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    Indeed. That is, however, a very different line than that which says people would lose their jobs. As in... they'd get fired from jobs they already have.
    An employer can rightfully expect to know how much it will cost him to hire someone, at least short and mid term.
     
  7. Murky

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    The demand for health care workers certainly isn't going away. The law doesn't nationalize health care so the insurance companies are going stay in business. Provisions in the bill should make it easier on small businesses to afford health care for their staff. So how does it kill jobs?
     
  8. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    I'm fine with impeaching Roberts so long as Obama is in office at the time it's done. :mischief:
     
  9. cegman

    cegman Scott Walker Supporter

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    I'm pretty sure there wasn't a lot of argument that this would cause people to lose their job for the most part. It would just prevent companies in the 45-49 employee range from expanding. Take a look at France they have a bunch of companies in the 45-49 range and much fewer in the 50-55 range. This is because a bunch of regulations kick in at 50 employees.
     
  10. IdiotsOpposite

    IdiotsOpposite Boom, headshot.

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    I think you missed the part where the entire House Republican leadership claimed that 650,000 jobs would be lost. There were a LOT of claims that people would lose their jobs.
     
  11. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy

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    There are already a bunch like that in the USA. If you are in that range, you are likely using the regulations as a guideline so that you can keep up with the competition in attracting and keeping quality employees.
     
  12. kramerfan86

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    There is no way to know how the new insurance rules will effect employer hiring. Republicans could be right and a lot of people could not get hired or they could be wrong, there is really no way to predict how employers will react.
     
  13. The_Tyrant

    The_Tyrant Values Guardian

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    Simply put, higher regulations make it more expensive to hire and maintain new and existing workers. Don't tell me you deny Obamacare is full of new red tape and burreacracy?
     
  14. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Burreacracy: a form of government dominated by donkeys?
     
  15. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    Have you ever dealt with an insurance company to get re-compensated for something you were insured for?
     
  16. Murky

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    It's be a lot easier to get rid of insurance company red tape if they just nationalized healthcare. When you go to a hospital the U.K. there's no billing from the hospital to the patient. Just the billing costs(including collection agency fees) of health care (in the USA) are big enough that, if you could eliminate them, it would mean billions in savings for the total costs of health care. Health care bills are the main reason why Americans go bankrupt. So it would be easy to make an argument for a stronger economy and less debt if we nationalized healthcare.
     
  17. Murky

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    Here's an interesting article from FactCheck.org about this subject.

    GOP’s ‘Job-Killing’ Whopper, Again

     
  18. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Are conservatives actually suggesting this, or is this merely a flourish?
     
  19. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Honestly, I've heard nothing in the news. But it would shock me if there weren't a few conservatives muttering it under their breaths.

    OK, Google has a few hits. It's Tea Party and rightwing blogosphere, by the looks of it. Doesn't appear to have any mainstream support.

     
  20. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Why is everyone in the above cartoon overweight?
     

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