So Long Belgium?

What should happen with Belgium?

  • It should stay together

    Votes: 31 28.7%
  • It should separate and become two independent countries

    Votes: 18 16.7%
  • It should separate and join France and the Netherlands

    Votes: 35 32.4%
  • It should separate, one becomes independent and one unites with France/Netherlands

    Votes: 7 6.5%
  • Other/I don't know

    Votes: 17 15.7%

  • Total voters
    108
France.. very constructed, as many dialects as possible were anihilated in favour of the (I think) Parisian dialect, in order to create a nation.
Very true. With the side effect of developping the French cuisine. As the former provinces were denied their language, the withdrew to their cooking specialty to keep their individuality.

I've always been quite amazed by how the French kings manage to build France, a powerful centralized nation, by absorbing vassals that were all more powerfull than the king itself.

When Hugh Capet was elected king, he owned 1,000 km². His authority ended there, and if he dared travel outside his small area, he risked being captured and held for ransom. Beyond his power base, in the rest of France, there were still as many codes of law as there were fiefdoms. The "country" operated with 150 different forms of currency and at least a dozen languages.

Uniting all this into one cohesive unit was a formidable task and a constant struggle between those who wore the crown of France and its feudal lords.
 
civil war has broken out, people are fighting here in the streets, it's total anarchy, we need U.N. help now!
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no, not really ;), we're just in the final decisive week of the negotiations and it looks like it still is going to be a failure...
 
If they really, really want to be separated (which I don't know if they do), separate them, make Brussels an international city, capital of the EU, unify the EU and have them as different provinces. :p

This is the biggest european dream i hope only to live enough to see it realized:)
Well, Brazil would probrably like to have a Enclave in Europe... Why not? Ask them if they are willing to join a country with beatiful women, good beaches and cold beer.

and fried bananas ( i love them):D

Let's just dissolve EU instead!
And hand out AK-47's to everyone!:ar15:

this is what Bush and Putin want to do :rolleyes:

Hmm, well, if they won't join their cultural "parental" lands... send in the Irish. Reform Celtia!!

this is my best dream:)

:rolleyes:
so i am a threat for the heart of europe?

:lol:

Should stay as one country. How about building Europe ?

good idead:goodjob:

now you showed my point by generalising again.
I'm not against immigration and i'm certainly not against the EU:lol: :lol: :lol: .

Shows again how ignorant frenchmen can be.
you can't run from your country's wreched history!
It IS France who is at the cause of many problems. (and Spain of course let's not forget them :p )
Not even you can deny that.
can't you see it? throughout history we always have been a "buffer" now prolly half of northern france works here :lol:

i love you!!!:) (i mean "finally someone who thinks like me")

I say give Flanders a spank and Homer a donut!!!

Hmmm, Donut!!!

you are witty like my grandma's arthritis :p

You're getting pwned anyway. Soon enough you'll all be part of glorious Islamic Republic of Belgistan!:assimilate:

soon we will have all Europe under Islam but this is another tread:mischief:
 
Well, we will set a new record tomorrow. 149 days without a government. The previous record was in 1988: 148 of formation talks.

Who says Belgium isn't capable of achieving great things! :thumbsdown:








Oh, wait... :D
 
So long Belgium? Well, not in the next tree months...

VRTnieuws said:
Belgium to get interim government

Wed 19/12/07 - The VRT has learned that the talks on the formation of an interim government have reached a successful conclusion and that the members an of interim federal government team will be sworn in on Friday.
The breakthrough came last night when the Francophone Christian democrats finally agreed to join the Francophone liberals and socialists and the Flemish liberals and Christian democrats in an interim government led by the outgoing Federal Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt (Flemish liberal). Yves Leterme The accord between the five party chairmen will be rubber stamped at special party conferences to be held on Thursday evening.

The new government will be sworn in on Friday.

Mr Verhofstadt will lay out the interim government's intentions in an address to the Federal Parliament on Friday afternoon.

Parliament will debate the contents of the address on Saturday before holding a vote of confidence on Monday. Verhofstadt persuaded Milquet
An interim government seemed as far away as ever on Tuesday when Joëlle Milquet's (photo) Francophone Christian democrats pulled out of the talks.

However, the Flemish Christian democrats and the Francophone socialists wanted the Francophone Christian democrats to be part of any interim government. (VRT) (Belga) (VRT) Furthermore, their support would be necessary to obtain the two-thirds majority required to get constitutional reform measures through parliament.

In the end it was Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt that persuaded the party to join the interim government.

The leadership of the Francophone Christian democrats met in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

The party's chairwoman Joëlle Milquet emerged from the meeting at around 2:15am and told waiting journalists that her party would be joining the interim government.

The trades unionist Josly Piette is almost certain to be the Francophone Christian democrat's representative in the interim cabinet.

Karel De Gucht and Patrick Dewael (photo) are likely to stay on as ministers for the Flemish liberals, while Yves leterme, Jo Vandeurzen and Pieter De Crem are likely to be among the four Flemish Christian democrats in the Interim cabinet.

The Francophone socialists will have three ministers with Laurette Onkelinkx, Christian Dupont and André Flahaut being the most likely candidates.

Finally, Didier Reynders and Sabine Larurelle (photo) are almost certain to be among the Francophone liberal's three ministers.

However, Mr Verhofstadt says that it is the King's prerogative to appoint Ministers and that we should wait and see.

The interim government will address urgent matters such as the rise in food and fuel prices.

It is hoped that a permenent government led by the Christian democrat Yves Leterme will take office by next Easter.
The interim government, led by current prime minister Verhofstadt, has to stay in place till march 23th. After that Leterme will take over as prime minister with a full-fledged government.

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Even the Miss Belgium pgagent has not excaped this controversy. :lol:
NEWLY crowned Miss Belgium speaks several languages, including French, English and Czech.
But that doesn't count for much when she can't manage Dutch – a deficiency viewed as a slight by Flemish speakers in the increasingly divided country.

Alizée Poulicek, 20, was booed by some of the 3,400 fans in Antwerp, the heart of Dutch-speaking Flanders, after she failed to answer a question in elementary Dutch and switched to French during Saturday night's contest.

In a country that has been without a government for almost 200 days due to continued strife between Dutch-speaking and French-speaking parties, the linguistic abilities of a beauty queen take on a bigger significance.

"Miss Belgium does not speak Dutch" said a headline in the Dutch-language Het Laatste Nieuws. "Miss Belgium is not 'tweetalig'", wrote the Francophone La Libre, using the Dutch word for bilingual, to highlight ever-increasing Flemish demands that all Belgians in the public eye should also speak the majority language.

The Dutch-speaking Flemings make up six million of the 10.5 million Belgians; most of the rest are Francophones, although there is a small German- speaking community in the east of the country.

Northern Flanders and southern Wallonia have since gained greater autonomy within the Belgian structures, but many in Flanders still pounce on every perceived linguistic slight.

Ms Poulicek now knows that. The daughter of a Czech father and a Belgian mother, she lives in the French-speaking city of Huy. She spent half her life in the Czech Republic and returned to Belgium only six years ago.

Living in the south, she has had little need to speak Dutch. Now that will have to change.

"I have to try, learn more," she told VRT network in halting Dutch. She continued in French. "I spoke almost no Dutch when I started this adventure."

For Darlene Devos, the organiser of the Miss Belgium contest, it could have been a lot worse. "
I don't worry about this too much. It is the least painful thing. I would consider it different if they had said: 'Miss Belgium is an ugly girl'," she said.

Earlier this week, Guy Verhofstadt, the caretaker premier, accepted a call from the country's ruler, King Albert, to form an interim government to address urgent economic issues after 10 June polls led to the nation's longest political stalemate.

Mr Verhofstadt has had talks with the Liberals and Christian Democrats on the Dutch- speaking side and Socialists and Liberals in the southern Francophone region, after six months of attempts to form a government between Liberals and Christian Democrats failed.

The Dutch-speaking Flemish parties had been seeking a major overhaul of the nation's institutions to obtain more autonomy for their prosperous region, a move rejected by the Francophone parties from southern Wallonia.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/Event--turns--ugly.3602506.jp
 
So long Belgium? Well, not in the next tree months...


The interim government, led by current prime minister Verhofstadt, has to stay in place till march 23th. After that Leterme will take over as prime minister with a full-fledged government.

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Well, it is good that there is finally gonna be a (interim) federal government. But so far, not one single commaunutair (what the hell is the English word for that?) issue has been solved. So, basically, Belgium is not an inch closer to a solution.

And with the utterly incompetent, corrupt and imbecile PS in the government, Belgium is doinf bad for herself.
 
Now who will I play as in Victoria?!?

Plus this makes it slightly more difficult when I play as Germany... now I'll have to declare war on an extra country, giving me more badboy points (and potentially dissent). Wait I'm thinking of HoI1 & 2...
 
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