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So many leftist on these boards?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by aapo, Jun 3, 2009.

  1. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus

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    They are oppressors of the working class, comrade!

    Considering how well going against hte free market seems to work, I'm with it as a system
     
  2. jessiecat

    jessiecat Divine Monarch

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    "animal spirits" is keynesianism? And here I thought Scientology was weird!:lol:
     
  3. bigfatron

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    You see Xarthaz, because you have a dogma you think I must have one too.

    My contention is that dogma of all kinds is part of the problem - hard economics needs to become far more evidenced based, rather than over-reliant on theories which are themselves dependent on assumptions which are not just unproven but known to be invalid.

    I'm not arguing for the Austrian school or Keynesian school, but that both are akin to a theological discussion, based on dogmatic belief, where what economic management demands is either a scientific discussion based on analysis or a philosophical one based on ethics.

    BFR
     
  4. bigfatron

    bigfatron Emperor

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    Actually what I say you need to do more than anything is think for yourself. "Markets good, government bad" is so self-evidently wrong based on world events in recent months that I am genuinely gob-smacked that anyone can still believe it.

    It's like remaining a devout communist after the Berlin wall came down...just inexplicable.

    BFR
     
  5. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus

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    You lotever considered founding a denomination?
     
  6. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    ...of...??
     
  7. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus

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    Christianity - they're always fighting.
     
  8. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Just pointing out the irony of admiring an animal that exploits the lower classes. :mischief:
     
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    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    The alternative would be to say that the rich may not purchase better healthcare, even if they can afford it. And that would just be weird.
     
  10. SS-18 ICBM

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    It's an actual term. :)
     
  11. jessiecat

    jessiecat Divine Monarch

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    I guess I missed that. Economics was not my major.;)
     
  12. SS-18 ICBM

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    Eh, don't worry. I didn't know that either until I looked it up. And I thought xarthaz was resorting to name-calling too. :lol:
     
  13. aelf

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    I think the issue stems from treating economics both as a hard science with given laws on one hand and, on the other, as a social science that can be debated as one. You can't have have the cake and eat it too.

    I think economics is primarily a social science. Economists consistently fail to derive accurate a priori laws for it, and most of what we know is about it is strictly a posteriori. This probably stems from the fact that economics is really a social phenomenon, driven by people. And so I still stand by the animal spirits à la Keynesianism.
     
  14. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Completely ignoring observation a science does not make. (Now granted, observation alone doesn't make a field a science either, but it's a necessary condition.) It does not deserve the -ology suffix any more than Scientology does.
     
  15. SS-18 ICBM

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    Ugh, a field calling itself a "science" and then rejecting observation?
     
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    Maths are just mere tools to aid in quantifying observations and data.
     
  17. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Math isn't a science. Science uses math, but it's not a science. Empirical study is a necessary condition for a science. Ideas are tested by experiment - that is the core of science.
     
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    The problem with economics is that its rules only work for what has already happened, not the future.
     
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    - Which class is lower and what makes you think so?
     
  20. Bill3000

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    No, because it's not a science. Even as a field of knowledge, it's worthless. Human nature is now in the realm of empirical study, and you're going to have to deal with that, much like the natural philosophers had to.
     

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