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So Obama may not take troops out of Iraq

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Zarn, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. Zarn

    Zarn Le Républicain Catholique

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    He says that he remains opposed to the reasons for the police action, but now he is backtracking on leaving so soon. I understand that leaving is a bad idea, even if you are opposed, but one of his nomination gaining positions is his opposition to having any troops there.

    I will not be able to discuss this with you guys, since I'm leaving for Long Island for a few days. I'll catch you guys later.
     
  2. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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  3. Trajan12

    Trajan12 Chieftain

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    What was the timetable for withdrawal before?
     
  4. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Actually, he has always called for responsible withdrawal. Don't see any change in his position here.
     
  5. Zarn

    Zarn Le Républicain Catholique

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    I don't know the specifics, but apparently the 16 month thing was a fairly recent position. I do recall a shorter withdraw rate before. I just do not know what.
     
  6. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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    :lol: But, but....what about the CHANGE we can believe in? You mean Obama might just be like everybody else?
     
  7. Zarn

    Zarn Le Républicain Catholique

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    He did say he was willing to build bases. He gave a condition for it; however, that is still a radically different stance.

    Edit: Okay, I have to go guys.
     
  8. Merkinball

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    16 months has always been peddled as responsible. Let's be honest, this is the only place where his position was different than Clintons. Now he's got the nod, and he's shifting policy? What a joke.
     
  9. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    It's not a radically different stance. It's the same stance he gave when Timmah asked him about it in one of the first debates.
     
  10. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    If his position is a responsible and phased wirthdraw of Iraq, I'll applaud him on that. Just removing all troops from one day to another would be childish and would have catastrophic consequences.
     
  11. Merkinball

    Merkinball Chieftain

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    Stop lying:

    Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

    No mention of responsibility there. Mostly just...he will do it no matter what.
     
  12. woody60707

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    @ JollyRoger

    You know, I know, everyones knows Obama was the get out of Iraq ASAP guy. Not that it's a bad thing. I'm for getting out of Iraq now. But really dude, when it was Obama vs Clinton. Obama was the "get out of iraq as fast as possible guy". There is no getting around that.
     
  13. Patroklos

    Patroklos Chieftain

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    So his plan has always been exactly the same as Bush and the Republican Congress?

    BUSH THIRD TERM!!!
     
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    It's JR what do you expect. Biggest dishonest Obama apologist on this site.
     
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    W..... T..... F.....?!!!?!??????!!?!!!

     
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    Norseone Chieftain

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    yeah...all my friends who voted for Obama are having heart attacks.
     
  17. Princeps

    Princeps More bombs than God

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    It's suffiecently 'responsible'. Mainly as in "get out and let the Iraqis take care of themselves".
     
  18. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Rofl....the miracles of Obama-aid. It even makes attorneys ignore the truth.

    Hey..waitaminute....what am I saying? Since when did that require Obama-aid?

    Heh.
     
  19. zjl56

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    I don't know if Obama will actually have the backbone to do this. The rest of the Democratic Party has had the ability to end the war, by cutting funding, but they have not done so out of simple reelection fears. Obama, not wanting to offend anyone..., would simply gloss over and ignore Iraq, and just slowly reduce troop levels.
     
  20. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Merkinball fails to quote the remainder of the paragraph pn Obama's site. Kudos to him for actually going there though. Here is the rest:

    Well lookie there - he has a provision for keeping troops in Iraq and carry on militarily in the region. It was apparent to anyone watching one of the early debates in September 2007 when Tim Russert asked about complete withdrawl by the end of the candidates first term that Obama was not a withdraw-completely-at-all-costs kind of guy. That he would listen to the militarty leaders on perhaps revising his timetable is something you guys should be applauding, but not necessarily acting shocked and awed about:

    http://www.cfr.org/publication/14313/
     

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