So, will the Eu do anything about Turkey not allowing Cyprus to drill for natural gas?

[Kyriakos]

Apparently not. So, again, what exactly is the Eu helping any member state with? Other than to ease it off its money and state-owned factories producing electricity or controlling water.

Turkey sends illegally its warships to sea not within its border, to not allow the drilling for natural gas in the sea of Cyprus, claiming that the sea is also part of the turkish Cyprus (a state only recognized by Turkey and literally no one else).

Again, is this Eu actually having a reason to exist other than a stupid farce?



Donald Tusk mumbled something about the Eu 'must' do something. Thanks euro The Donald, now return to your circus of doing no good ever.

http://www.tovima.gr/politics/article/?aid=945400



It is nice that we are being led to a rather big war.

 

[Lexicus]

It is nice that we are being led to a rather big war.

Tell me more.

 

[Commodore]

Well most EU members are also NATO members. Are you really expecting them to declare war on an ally over this?

How long has the situation been going on? And after that, how long has the EU known about the situation? Those are important questions because if this is a relatively recent development, then at least give the EU a chance to try to negotiate before bashing them for doing nothing.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well most EU members are also NATO members. Are you really expecting them to declare war on an ally over this?

How long has the situation been going on? And after that, how long has the EU known about the situation? Those are important questions because if this is a relatively recent development, then at least give the EU a chance to try to negotiate before bashing them for doing nothing.

It shows that you aren't from the Eu ^^
It's been going on for two years, while the specific thing with this sea drill has been going on for a month. Even slow fat northern pachyderm leeching misanthrope govs can move their eyes faster than that.

@Lexicus: Turkey (gov ministers) is all talk about taking stuff and invading 'just like we did in Afrin' (when they even manage to lose miserably by some rebels in Afrin). War may happen, and it isn't far-fetched.
It is - sadly - long overdue too. Turkey can't co-exist in a civilized way with anyone. Mad dogs and all that.

 

[Commodore]

while the specific thing with this sea drill has been going on for a month.

In the diplomatic world, a month really isn't all that long. Especially when we are talking about negotiations involving territorial rights.

 

[Kyriakos]

In the diplomatic world, a month really isn't all that long. Especially when we are talking about negotiations involving territorial rights.

There is no negotiation. This is a simple "we move ships cause we have ships, so move back". This kind of stupid attitude will at some point lead to the inevitable outcome; one can't send warships in another country's space just cause they feel like it/are greedy.
Re your point: no, a month is actually a huge amount of time, given the company doing the drilling now has to move its drill elsewhere.

Though if we didn't have this as a neighbour, we wouldn't need to buy tanks from Germany and planes from the US - i am sure this plays no role here, though.

 

[Silurian]

Well most EU members are also NATO members. Are you really expecting them to declare war on an ally over this?

How long has the situation been going on? And after that, how long has the EU known about the situation? Those are important questions because if this is a relatively recent development, then at least give the EU a chance to try to negotiate before bashing them for doing nothing.

It has been going on since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
In 1974 Turkey invaded to protect the Turkish Cypriots.
Cyprus was divided.
There have been talks about reunification but the Greek Cypriots rejected reunification in 2004 because of Turkish settlers voting as well as Turkish Cypriots .
There are hopes of a second referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_Annan_Plan_referendums,_2004

 

[Commodore]

It has been going on since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
In 1974 Turkey invaded to protect the Turkish Cypriots.
Cyprus was divided.
There have been talks about reunification but the Greek Cypriots rejected reunification in 2004 because of Turkish settlers voting as well as Turkish Cypriots .
There are hopes of a second referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_Annan_Plan_referendums,_2004

I meant this particular situation with the drilling. I was already aware of the general issues between Greeks and Turks regarding Cyprus.

Didn't know about that referendum though. Thanks for providing info on that.

Though if we didn't have this as a neighbour, we wouldn't need to buy tanks from Germany and planes from the US

We gave you some tanks too. Much better than those old busted Leopard 2s from Germany . Didn't even make you guys pay for them, only charged you for the spare parts and training manuals.

 

[innonimatu]

Well most EU members are also NATO members. Are you really expecting them to declare war on an ally over this?

How long has the situation been going on?

1974? Turkey gets way with too much. And by now its protection for "turkish cypriots" pretty much as the mob protects shop owners.

 

[warpus]

one can't send warships in another country's space just cause they feel like it

You can do what you want if you have the means and act first.. and aren't afraid of whatever repercussions there might exist. In this case Turkey feels that the risk is worth it. Looking at the E.U.'s response for now it seems that Turkey's assessment of the repercussions vs benefit situation was correct.

There is no geopolitical police, and the countries with the 2 most potent militaries have shown that the above dynamics apply, not to mention setting precedent. So some countries will from time to time have a go at it. And "Helping people who have similar DNA and/or culture to ours" seems to be a valid popular pretext for these sorts of things, so that sort of pretext is not unexpected.

 

[Kyriakos]

You can do what you want if you have the means and act first.. and aren't afraid of whatever repercussions there might exist. In this case Turkey feels that the risk is worth it. Looking at the E.U.'s response for now it seems that Turkey's assessment of the repercussions vs benefit situation was correct.

There is no geopolitical police, and the countries with the 2 most potent militaries have shown that the above dynamics apply, not to mention setting precedent. So some countries will from time to time have a go at it. And "Helping people who have similar DNA and/or culture to ours" seems to be a valid popular pretext for these sorts of things, so that sort of pretext is not unexpected.

Sure, my note wasn't about how other countries aren't greedy pos as well, my note was how this again shows how useless being in the Eu is.
Moreover, unlike US, Russia, and China, Turkey is no superpower, and at some point this will end badly for them. Hopefully soon.

 

[warpus]

Too many people don't want the EU to have a federal-like government and more powers, so for now it doesn't. So it's slower to react to events and not as effective in the response. But Turkey also has a lot of leverage and is able to take advantage of the situation.

 

[FriendlyFire]

It is nice that we are being led to a rather big war.

A war in Asian Minor you say ? /s
The EU cant even make Greece comply with its Bailout terms but you expect the EU to force Turkey to back down over Cyprus somehow ?

 

[Azem.Ocram]

We cannot do anything about Turkey until it is kicked out of NATO.

 

[Kyriakos]

We cannot do anything about Turkey until it is kicked out of NATO.

If Turkey is kicked out of nato, that will pretty much be the end of the line for it, yes.

 

[r16]

oh my . Qatar already backs down in a way , considering the reserves off the island defined as "not game changing" anyhow . After oil companies complain .

the Annan Plan and the subsequent referandum was defined as a sell-out by every Leftists and the like in Turkey ; Rauf Denktaş was declared a traitor , even . The voting slogan was a joyous "Yes, Mother" so happy that they would join the EU . Greek Cypriots , against all "expectations" said NO . Because they will like drive all the Turks when the time comes . No need to share anything , even when they surrender .

future ? Am really desiring to learn the Vietnamese for Beware the Grey Phantoms . Oh , it really makes sense that in the 1972 fighting better training definitely made a difference in the exchange ratio ...

 

[Kyriakos]

oh my . Qatar already backs down in a way , considering the reserves off the island defined as "not game changing" anyhow . After oil companies complain .

the Annan Plan and the subsequent referandum was defined as a sell-out by every Leftists and the like in Turkey ; Rauf Denktaş was declared a traitor , even . The voting slogan was a joyous "Yes, Mother" so happy that they would join the EU . Greek Cypriots , against all "expectations" said NO . Because they will like drive all the Turks when the time comes . No need to share anything , even when they surrender .

future ? Am really desiring to learn the Vietnamese for Beware the Grey Phantoms . Oh , it really makes sense that in the 1972 fighting better training definitely made a difference in the exchange ratio ...

Given that the actual cypriots said no to uniting with the stolen part - you know, those that are a recognized country, and even part of glorius Eu - Turkey should just f off already, don't you think? You can always keep your illegal colony there, with the 200% inflation.

 

[r16]

not a military expert ? No problems , you are already up to the task in that Israel and Egypt are so tough talking , but no one is sending ships to support the Italian Frigate .

 

[Kyriakos]

not a military expert ? No problems , you are already up to the task in that Israel and Egypt are so tough talking , but no one is sending ships to support the Italian Frigate .

Which is the issue, r16: just cause Turkey has an army it doesn't mean you get to act all rogue-like forever. Let alone that your navy is nothing to speak of, and will sleep with the fishes if anything happens. Which isn't the main thing, though, the main thing being that being a bully-country is shameful and not cause for funny posts.
Anyway, it's not like you personally bully anything, despite your talk of phantoms and menaces; yet your country is beyond insanity at this point, and it won't end well for you.

 

[r16]

that's why it's considered so cruel , all the talk about Phantoms now like only those in 1970s were not bugged this way or the other and we have survived this far . You know , ı have also ranted that the '104s of 1974 were also leaking emissions like a sieve and Combat Tree and similar stuff would have them killed far beyond guidance capacities of the radars onboard "hostiles" and nobody would have cared .