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Solutions for a failed Government

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game IV: Citizens' started by Lord Civius, Jul 26, 2008.

  1. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Below is a list of citizen posts to why our past Governments have failed. They have failed at both organizing the gameplay and the Citizenry. Following each post I have added a possible solution to the grievances. I urge my fellow citizens to voice their opinions or come up with solutions for our failed government.

    A Citizens activity or inactivity cannot be condemned. As long as there are hungry citizens like Vandal ready for a revolt the faction in power can be ousted. However if a citizen cannot handle his duties or obligations they should resign or appoint another in their place.

    Yes Cyc and I have continued to work out some of the details in my spare time. The King is King and in the end should have power to use the resources and the land as he sees fit for gameplay and RP. I remember a compromise (as far as the gold) was made and we could have instituted the RP economy but due to my inactivity it never got off its feet. I would still like to see it come about after the elections.

    The King should be the Commander in Chief. Having advisors is good but when it comes to gameplay, war or otherwise it is the PF leaders responsibility.

    I can no longer open the save because i upgraded to the 3.17 patch. In good faith I'm sure the new PF and its leader can come up with the maps.

    I think we lack organization and just blow with the wind. IMO the PF should have a chain of command. I brought up the idea of a regent to the crown. If the PF leader is MIA or slacking the regent would take the helm and appoint a new regent. This way our leaders could more easily be held accountable. All other PF citizens can be named advisors but would not be essential to the smooth running of the game. Having to wait on orders is unnecessary in the Faction system.

    I am having this same problem and the solution so far is wait on HOF. For now the PF's running in the election should take this into account. If the PF's leader (or strong designated player) does not have access to the save then we have problems

    Again with a regent to the crown this problem may have been avoided.
     
  2. thecommonnate

    thecommonnate Theocrat

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    I agree with everything your saying, I believe that governments should be rethought in every aspect, really, but with inactivity being the plague of our time, perhaps maybe regents aren't the way to go.

    Perhaps citizens should be given the right to organize into groups reflecting the government's performance and activity. If these groups were given the right to justify an impeachment of someone during the drawn-out and/or sudden inactivity of the king or the entire government (inactivity of the entire government was what dismantled the APR, not the inactivity of the king, we heard about that) governments would be forced to reform thus saving the DG of another rebellion and continuing it..
     
  3. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    So thecommonnate, what you're suggesting is a citizen watchdog group. Similar to what Vandal Warload did when he became fed up with the APR's inactivity. I thought citizens already had that right. We just didn't have a group formed.
     
  4. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    I believe the foundation has been laid. :goodjob:



    True, but as a citizen of the Country, I needed the projections and stats about the Military that DaveShack gave to make my decisions and form my opinions.
    This way our "2" Leaders could more easily be held accountable. In your faction system, there seems to be only two Leaders, and we should make that clear. In the Traditional system there were at least seven Leaders (theoretically), and they were held accountable by elections. But back to this game. With the poll showing a vast majority wanting to keep the Faction system, you may be right that a 2 Leader faction is the way to go. Both VW and civplayah have stated they are open to the Regent plan.
     
  5. Lord Civius

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    Thanks guys for the replies. Don't get me wrong I am not in favor of a 2 leader faction. The regent should act more like a VP. If the King is incapacitated or becoming inactive then the regent would become King and sole leader of the PF. This way it would give the citizenry a clear message that the PF is not capable of governing should both King and his heir drop the ball.
     
  6. fed1943

    fed1943 Emperor

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    A good and tested system, IMO:
    One leader,one replacement, advisers (at least three: domestic,military,research).
    The advisers must create threads about their advising field. Said threads should be the
    heart of the "forum game".
    The leader must coordinate all strategies in a whole. Leader plays the session turns. If
    another player is appointed to play, he will be the leader for that session.
    And gameplay and RPG are two independent things.
    Best regards,
     
  7. thecommonnate

    thecommonnate Theocrat

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    What if the King and the Regent become inactive? It's only two people, and thats very possible.

    The idea of the government should be to stay in power + whatever else it wishes to achieve; if our government allowed us to decide if our leaders have not been active enough we should be able to hold some sort of elections without rebelling and putting a different government in power.
     
  8. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    A rule such as that would be written in the Factions (PF) Charter or main rules.
     
  9. thecommonnate

    thecommonnate Theocrat

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    Yes thats true, and that could be were the new COA works, with its Gameplay cycles (I'm supposing it means the whole DG and not just gameplay). Perhaps we could get one of these to work, it would get quite annoying rebelling every time the government gets a little more inactive then the people want it to be.
     
  10. Lord Civius

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    I don't see any reason why the Cycles couldn't take us right through to Representation. The only time a rebellion is necessary is when either a PF loses favor with the citizenry or a better Government Civic becomes available. I find the rebellions a strength as much as a weakness so far.

    I urge the CoA to organize both GP and RP if we want to reenergize the citizens. I would also like to see more sub-forums.
     
  11. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    I can Agree with that.
     

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