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some thoughts on middle east area and east asia

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Rhye's and Fall of Civilization' started by Sovietof17, Dec 20, 2006.

  1. Aeon221

    Aeon221 Lord of the Cheese Helmet

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    Man, that AI couldn't handle people cutting into the back of its base and killing off all its workers one by one. WC I had hideous AI.

    WC2, yeah, that game had sucky AI too. AND you lost the ability to summon scorpions, water elementals, skeletons... I'ma go play WC I, that game rocked even if the AI WAS ********.
     
  2. MrThing

    MrThing Warlord

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    I agree that the best place for a new CIV is South East Asia, it is very bit and empty, giving both China and India tons of space in which to expand.
     
  3. McA123

    McA123 Prince

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    And Japan, which results in the phillipines never being Spanish unless you're playing as Spain and take 'em, China and block 'em or Japan and don't bother.
     
  4. Phallus

    Phallus Freudian Slip

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    Apart from Japan and every civ that settles South America, I suppose?

    I'd love to see some sort of minor civ like Srivijaya in Southeast Asia. Give Japan and Spain the right war maps and it could make for an interesting Asia-Pacific.
     
  5. Spearthrower

    Spearthrower Thrower of spears

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    Depending on the time period you are aiming at to develop another SE Asia nation, the Khmer might be a good civ.

    One benefit to this would be to allow China and India to have a meaningful war - I tend to see them declare but not do anything thanks to blocking jungle.
     
  6. Phallus

    Phallus Freudian Slip

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    Khmer would be interesting but I think it may be preferable to have a civ that delays Japanese settlement first.
     
  7. Spearthrower

    Spearthrower Thrower of spears

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    Khmer could be pushed into challenging Japanese Indonesian archipelago settlement - they're in the perfect spot to contest it!
     
  8. McA123

    McA123 Prince

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    Who is even supposed to colonize that island above Australia and below Borneo that the Japs always snag?
     
  9. SadoMacho

    SadoMacho spanker of civilizations

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    That 's the island of Java and the Dutch were the colonial power there, but they're not in the game. The Indonesian archipelo was colonized by the Dutch, the parts of island than aren't Indonesian were colonized by England.
     
  10. Phallus

    Phallus Freudian Slip

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    Papua New Guinea was British and German. Victoria tends to build Port Moresby already.
     
  11. Spearthrower

    Spearthrower Thrower of spears

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    Khmer could to some degree be representative of Indonesian peoples - they have a lot in common religiously, artistically and to some degree linguistically (Pali and Sanskrit roots)

    In fact, colonising the archipelago could be one of their goals.
     
  12. SadoMacho

    SadoMacho spanker of civilizations

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    I asked to add in the Khmer or Thai a long time ago, when Rhye was just building his Warlordsversion. In the discution as decided not to add them. I don't think the Khmer will be added. Would be nice though, I also wanted to see the Koreans to. Most Civs in the east would be nice. Maybe we could see some buddhist and taoist states.
     
  13. KrakenRouge

    KrakenRouge Chieftain

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    Hmmm...maybe the Celts under Brennus could be taken out of the game. I dont see why barbarians couldnt settle gaul and ireland, since the Celts get taken out pretty early in the game as a minor civ. We should get rid of them and put Srijava or Khmer in, since the islands are usually always uncolonized, except for Japan in the 19th-20th century.

    If I can comment on Spearthrowers statemtn on the jungle, I like the fact that India and China are seperated by this jungle, it allows the AI china to ignore inflicting damage on the Indians, and it disallows the Indians oppurtunities to conquer IndoChina or southern China. In terms of historical importance this jungle is important, and I dont like the idea of China and India being able to take each other out that quickly.
     
  14. McA123

    McA123 Prince

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    Sometimes the Chinese AI goes all the way around the mountains, through the desert and down to India.
     
  15. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    I'm not commenting this matter in detail for now. All I can say is that I am busy with something else, but as soon as I'm free to work on this aspect, something will change. Could be the Khmer, could be the Dutch.
     
  16. Surtur

    Surtur Warlord

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    Sometimes? It happened to me every game :sad:.
     
  17. KrakenRouge

    KrakenRouge Chieftain

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    Does this really affect the game? What damage can China really do sending units, which usually arent advanced and are attacked by many barbarians along the way, into India or Persia. Maybe India and Persia, or whoever you're playing as should focus on a larger armed force, or not pissing off China?
     
  18. Surtur

    Surtur Warlord

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    Well, it weakens China because half its army (mostly catapults) is on the way to India and not at home to defend against barbarians.
    But you are right. It does not effect gameplay that much. It just looks silly.
     
  19. Spearthrower

    Spearthrower Thrower of spears

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    The thing is that historically, Indian nations did expand out east through IndoChina. That's why all the South East Asian languages have a root in Sanskrit.
     
  20. KrakenRouge

    KrakenRouge Chieftain

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    This is true but I think it would throw too much of the game into India's camp. India founds about 6-7 on the Subcontinent alone in my games, I dont like the idea of them having Angkor, Hanoi, and Pagan also, when China only builds 4 and oddly, sometimes 5 cities.
     

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