something weird - early spies?

[andyo]

okk - playing for a while now - and have never really seen the AI (or anyone, for that matter) make use of spies - until this game - when, around 600 BC, i got a message that said that elizabeth tried unsucsessfully to steal a technology - not only had i never seen this before, but how did she manage to use a spy in 600 bc? i never use spies, so my recollection of the requirements is vague, but there is no way she could get the required techs by 600 bc, could she? any thoughts would be welcome

thanks

 

[Left Foot]

She most probably used her accredited ambassador in your empire in her attempt to steal the technology.

If either of you has established an Embassy Right-click on your capital, and go to 'conduct espionage' (or click CTRL-E I think) you will then have the option to either investigate a city or attempt to steal a tech.

Hope it helps.

 

[Jason Fox]

As far as spies go, if you catch someone spying on you, can you declare "justified" war or do the other civs not understand?

I caught two American spies within a few turns and I wanted to declare war but I wasn't sure if I would be viewed as the aggressor.

Anyone know?

 

[Left Foot]

If you declare war, then you would be the aggressor, however justified your actions may be in your mind.

 

[Park Ranger]

Is there a difference if you declare war while conducting diplomacy? When people say "aggressor" is that the same (rep-wise) as being a backstabber (attacking on your turn with no warning)?

 

[sealman]

Everytime I declare war I am justified, in my mind at least.

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Park Ranger
Is there a difference if you declare war while conducting diplomacy? When people say "aggressor" is that the same (rep-wise) as being a backstabber (attacking on your turn with no warning)?

Yes, there's a big difference. If you declare war by attacking a civ on your territory or via diplomacy the reputation hit is relatively small. If you march troops in and declare war while attacking you take the same reputation hit as violating a Right of Passage by attacking. The key here is your troop locations. If you have troops in the AI territory (even if they are workers) a declaration of war will always give you the big ROP style reputation hit.

 

[sealman]

Originally posted by Shaitan

Yes, there's a big difference. If you declare war by attacking a civ on your territory or via diplomacy the reputation hit is relatively small. If you march troops in and declare war while attacking you take the same reputation hit as violating a Right of Passage by attacking. The key here is your troop locations. If you have troops in the AI territory (even if they are workers) a declaration of war will always give you the big ROP style reputation hit.

Must keep this in mind.

 

[BridgeBoy]

Shaitan- Are you sure about that troop location thing? Someone said in another post that if you are in a peace treaty that has been ongoing beyond any 20-turn requirement, move your troops onto their land, they tell you to leave, you say "I'm tired of your insolence, prepare for war!", wait a turn and then attack, or they just will normally attack you,......that it is the same as if you were not on thier land and diplomatically renegotiated and cancelled a peace treaty, then invaded them?

I don't know for sure, does anybody know how it works for sure?

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by BridgeBoy
Shaitan- Are you sure about that troop location thing? Someone said in another post that if you are in a peace treaty that has been ongoing beyond any 20-turn requirement, move your troops onto their land, they tell you to leave, you say "I'm tired of your insolence, prepare for war!", wait a turn and then attack, or they just will normally attack you,......that it is the same as if you were not on thier land and diplomatically renegotiated and cancelled a peace treaty, then invaded them?

I don't know for sure, does anybody know how it works for sure?

Yup, I'm sure. If you're on their land when you declare war you get a reputation hit the same as if you attacked while having a ROP.

 

[BridgeBoy]

Thanks Shaitan!

 

[Left Foot]

Originally posted by Shaitan

Yup, I'm sure. If you're on their land when you declare war you get a reputation hit the same as if you attacked while having a ROP.

Really? I didn't know that. Good to know. Thanx!