Son of Deported Immigration Activist Urges Congress to Bring Mom Back to America

[warpus]

The same thing happened with a Polish family.

What happened was, the came here illegally and have been here for 20+ years. All their kids were born here; they don't even speak Polish very well.

Well, at one point, the parents decided to finally legalize their stay here... and they're being deported, for trying to.

I'm not sure how similar that is to what we're discussing here - but IMO, if a country is THAT lax in allowing people to pay taxes, work, etc. illegaly.. then... let them be citizens already, sheesh. or tighten up your laws so this doesn't happen in the first place.

 

[Shadylookin]

Who? A few political refugees from oppressive regimes? They can be dealt with separately - unless we're classifying Mexico as an oppressive dictatorship, and we're saying this woman fled in fear of her life with her unborn child, then those kinds of citizenless people are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Because I think it is broken. (Or at least a little cracked ) What we have here are families being broken up, and people expecting, and sometimes getting away with breaking US law just because their child was born on US soil. I don't mind letting them be US citizens if there is any ambiguity as to whether their parents are here legally, like if they're trying to figure this out a long time later. (And obviously this wouldn't apply retroactively - that would be nuts) But I do mind having people openly flaunt US law and expect to get away with it just because they had timed it right and had a baby here before they got deported.

you're essentially punishing the child because of what their parents did. as you can see just because you have a child with US citizenship doesn't mean you get to stay, and if the government allows you to stay then you're no longer illegal.

And no, I don't think people who have many American ancestors are necessarily "better" people, or even better citizens. (Some recent immigrants are great citizens, some are terrible citizens, some fifth generation citizens are wonderful, some suck, etc....) This isn't a racial thing, it's a "let's make enforcing our laws and apply some common sense rules" thing.

if being from american ancestors, whatever that actually means in the "nation of imigrants,"isn't better why should someone be granted automatic citizenship based on ancestry rather than being born in the territory? I think someone born and raise in the US is more American than a person born to US citizens in another country and was raised overseas.

But is the it the land that makes the Union? Or the People?

what are Americans other than people that were born and live in America?

 

[Ecofarm]

Personally? I feel attached to the land, and would never want to deprive someone from being kept away from the land of their birth.

What about indigenous people? Should the UN resolution on indigenous rights be implimented to some extent? I realize that this is basically a non-issue in the US (reservations, special tax laws, exemption from state law, etc), but what about other places?

 

[bhsup]

There is no such thing as "indigenous people". There are humans. Grouping people based on "race" is and giving special benefits or restrictions is about the dumbest thing humans ever thought up. (*)

(*) - One exception, obviously. The Hebrews are the chosen of God.

 

[George2816]

There is no such thing as "indigenous people". There are humans. Grouping people based on "race" is and giving special benefits or restrictions is about the dumbest thing humans ever thought up. (*)

(*) - One exception, obviously. The Hebrews are the chosen of God.

If you beilive what the jews said if you don't then they are just like everyone else!

 

[malclave]

The same thing happened with a Polish family.

I'm not familiar with the Polish family's case... do you have more information on it?

In Arellano's case, as I understand it, she entered the U.S. illegally, was deported, reentered illegally, was caught using fraudulent documentation (SSAN, I think), had a deportation order against her, and went into sanctuary in a church. She lived in the church for some time.

She was arrested and subsequently deported after announcing that she was going across the country to support illegal immigration. Basically, she dared the government to deport her.

 

[The Yankee]

It takes quite a lot of chutzpah to ask a country to make you an ambassador simply so you could enter a country without being deported, IMO.

 

[Narz]

Telling someone "go to Mexico" is tantamount to telling someone "go to hell". If I was her son, and she brought me to Mexico, I'd be pissed.

Shiiite, if it weren't for global warming and my girlfriend I'd probably have gone to Mexico by now. Those Mexicanas love my tall, sexy gringo ass.

I can't boast much international travel but of the places I have been (England, China, Canada, Mexico & my home country the US) Mexico is by far the most beautiful and some mountain village I passed thru on my way from Mexico City to the south Pacific coast had some of the freshest, most wonderful air I have ever been privileged to breathe.