Sons of Mars (Redux)

[Double A]

I demand it too.

 

[Robert Can't]

If Scotland isn't having it I would very much like a slice of the Northumbrian Pie

 

[GenMarshall]

Spoiler :

Basic WIP of Europe.

Tani, you neglected two territories outlined on my map!

 

[Tani Coyote]

Those territories have been blacked out, which is why I gave you more territories in Norway to compensate.

 

[Mathalamus]

Kingdom of Cyprus



i know, not a game map, but its so tiny and low quality. three provinces.

State Religion: Eastern Orthodoxy
Capital: Nicosia
government: Absolute Monarchy
Monarch: Theodoros II Laskaris

brief history

after declaring independence from the failing Roman Empire in 1400, the Kingdom of Cyprus had a reputation of being a highly centralized state. in the 50 years that its first King Andreas I Laskaris, he has organized Cyprus from a province of the Roman Empire to a relatively powerful and rich nation state in its own right.

under his grandson, Theodoros I Laskaris, he expanded the military of Cyprus, by abolishing horsemen for all but communication purposes, and made a very effective infantry only army of some 10,000 soliders.

when he died, his son, Aineas I laskaris, sets out to rule the Kingdom. what will he do? lead it to ruin or greatness? only time will tell...

 

[Tani Coyote]

For balance purposes, I've granted you Crete and Rhodes. You were so small your economy was collapsing pretty much no matter what I adjusted.

 

[Mathalamus]

For balance purposes, I've granted you Crete and Rhodes. You were so small your economy was collapsing pretty much no matter what I adjusted.

fair enough. guess the navy will have to be a bit larger than normal.

 

[Kinich-Ahau]

Rajahnate of Kerala

Capital: Cochin
Government: Autocratic Monarchy
Leader: Maharajadhiraja Adhyatman Pushkala
Language: Malayalam
Social Policy: Caste System
Fiscal Policy: Arthashastra
Trade Policy: Free Trade
Monetary Policy: Gold Standard
Currency: Fanam
Foriegn Policy: Pragmatic
Religion: Probably Hindu, but I might take a different religion if the benefits are great enough (Read: What will each country give me if I adopt their religion?)
History: Later

Spoiler Claims :

I'm assuming the Maldives are one territory, & that the miniscule areas in Ceylon are counted as part of a neighboring territory.

 

[mayor]

I'm do not completely remember Oz-lore. Last time, there was something with intelligent and monstrous bunnies with tentacles, and I think it was situated in Africa. But I think this particular IOT never really launched. Unfortunately I lost all my IOTdocuments in the Great Crash of Januari and can't look it up. Therefor I will remove this from the lore and only leave a token reference.

!!!Oz!!!

State religion: Lepuism*​

Spoiler claims :

* as in Buniism, if not accepted than Catholic, since that was the original faith of Oz

 

[Jehoshua]

I shall take over Sones claim, and his lore save one change.

Since the King of Italy is now subsumed into the office of High Inquisitor, this clearly means that he is subject to the Pope, who of course is prefect of the Sacred Congregation of the Universal and Roman Inquisition as was actually the case. This being so, its quite clear that the King of Italy serves a function similar to the President of the Galaxy in Hitchhikers guide, that is as an individual who's primary job is to hide who really has the power

But more importantly, Italy is no longer free for subjugation

 

[Tani Coyote]

Well, this game should get mighty balanced unquickly.

Let's hope all the Catholic nations have a Reformation in a Can!

...everyone DID read the part that being your own faith carries a large monetary incentive, yes?

 

[Jehoshua]

Catholicism is my own faith (in all respects), so surely I get a large monetary incentive . Its also all the other peoples own faith as well, so it would be a facetious twisting of your own words to deny them the benefits of Catholic money.

At any rate, being part of the Catholic family comes with advantages, such as instantly being part of the worlds dominant religious bloc and gaining all the geostrategic and political advantages that entails. That's not to mention having your country start in the papal good books. Heresy as well risks isolating your country and attracting the ire of Christendom. Indeed I am sure that by now people know what happens to those who aren't on my good books (angry face), or who violate the Pax Vaticana.

 

[mayor]

Well, this game should get mighty balanced unquickly.

Let's hope all the Catholic nations have a Reformation in a Can!

...everyone DID read the part that being your own faith carries a large monetary incentive, yes?

I'm only catholic if you are a party pooper and dissalow my Lepuism

 

[Tani Coyote]

Every country collects a bonus for every province they own that is of their own faith.

Whoever holds the holy city of a faith collects a bonus for every province of that faith, cumulative with the other faith bonus.

So, remaining Catholic is detrimental to anyone who wants to make sure no player starts with a massive monetary advantage.

So if there are 100 Catholic provinces in the world, and whoever holds Rome owns 25 of them, they collect not just 25x (x being the bonus for a province), but 100x due to holding the Holy City.

I could just relocate the Catholic Holy City to another state, as I was going to do when Sone resigned in the first place but decided against it on the basis of it being NPC-held.

@ mayor:

Your faith is legit enough for me.

 

[Sonereal]

Since the King of Italy is now subsumed into the office of High Inquisitor, this clearly means that he is subject to the Pope, who of course is prefect of the Sacred Congregation of the Universal and Roman Inquisition as was actually the case. This being so, its quite clear that the King of Italy serves a function similar to the President of the Galaxy in Hitchhikers guide, that is as an individual who's primary job is to hide who really has the power

This makes me happy.

Also, rejoining in Sicily (three provinces only) as the Iron Bank of Sicily. Catholic faith.

 

[Jehoshua]

So if there are 100 Catholic provinces in the world, and whoever holds Rome owns 25 of them, they collect not just 25x (x being the bonus for a province), but 100x due to holding the Holy City.

Ah, but the question really is Tani, since a prospective heretic would gain functionally the same funds as they would before (since they wouldn't suddenly gain a large bloc, and if one did arise it'd pose the same question to each non-holy city member) is the political consequences of that economic cash-grab worth the financial, political and existential costs such an action would precipitate.

Ergo, a heresy inevitably would result in a) a loss of political support which can be costly economically in addition to tagging a player with other substantial penalties b) the actual material costs of a conflict, hot or cold that emerges, which would negate any financial advantages and incur a substantial expense in and of themselves and c) is a payer willing to risk his countries continued existence in the process of apostatising at the hands of a righteous crusade in which those who remain faithful split the spoils to their mutual financial benefit.

These considerations being made, the question boils down to an assessment of whether association with the master of the Holy City is in the interests of the player. Needless to say, considering my impeccable record of staying loyal and supportive to my allies, and the precedent in every papal game I've played of running a pax Vaticana to the benefit of all involved economically and politically, and of laying low enemies of Catholicism. I would hope my fellow Catholics understand that their best interests lie with the One True Faith. Afterall, its why Xinjiang converted, and conveniently got resurrected from the dead all those IOT's ago

 

[christos200]

So, Tani, since I am the only state with Chinese religion, how much do I collect?

 

[mayor]

Ah, but the question really is Tani, since a prospective heretic would gain functionally the same funds as they would before (since they wouldn't suddenly gain a large bloc, and if one did arise it'd pose the same question to each non-holy city member) is the political consequences of that economic cash-grab worth the financial, political and existential costs such an action would precipitate.

Ergo, a heresy inevitably would result in a) a loss of political support which can be costly economically in addition to tagging a player with other substantial penalties b) the actual material costs of a conflict, hot or cold that emerges, which would negate any financial advantages and incur a substantial expense in and of themselves and c) is a payer willing to risk his countries continued existence in the process of apostatising at the hands of a righteous crusade in which those who remain faithful split the spoils to their mutual financial benefit.

These considerations being made, the question boils down to an assessment of whether association with the master of the Holy City is in the interests of the player. Needless to say, considering my impeccable record of staying loyal and supportive to my allies, and the precedent in every papal game I've played of running a pax Vaticana to the benefit of all involved economically and politically, and of laying low enemies of Catholicism. I would hope my fellow Catholics understand that their best interests lie with the One True Faith. Afterall, its why Xinjiang converted, and conveniently got resurrected from the dead all those IOT's ago

But it would leave so little room for religious warfare, and we all know that religious warfare is the most fun form of warfare

 

[Jehoshua]

on the contrary, warfare when it occurs would be (to all Catholics mutual profit) focussed upon the heathens, rather than on mutually destructive squabbling. Why fight when we can gain so much more as a united front

 

[Robert Can't]

The Calvinists are not intimidated by this talk and do not accept any title such as Heritics.