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Sorry nerds, Frat Bros have more fulfilling lives

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by downtown, May 29, 2014.

  1. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    From the "this totally flies against stereotype" department.

    The link to the Gallup study is here. The link to the Vox article, complete with CHARTS, is here:

    Also important:
    What do you think? For what's it is worth, I was in a frat, and treasured my experiences from that part of college. Connections gained from my frat also helped advance me professionally, and academically. I learned more leadership and interpersonal relationship skills (which I use every day) in that environment than I did in the classroom...but since my frat wasn't part of the greek system, so I understand my experience may have been atypical (it also didn't have any of the gross anti-women stuff that is common with the US greek system)

    Does this surprise you? Do you think there is some merit in the greek system, or could any benefits be explained by other factors? Is Gallup full of crap? WHO NEEDS FULFILLMENT AMIRITE BROS?
     
  2. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Are those frat bros in the Φ-Λ-Φ brotherhood?

    (FulLFilling) :\
     
  3. salty mud

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    I honestly think the US education system is getting more and more decadent.
     
  4. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton Awake

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    Well making fraternity membership the dividing line more or less puts all the socially inept / relatively isolated in the other basket. That alone should mean that statistically fraternities make you more happy.
     
  5. Rashiminos

    Rashiminos Fool Prophet

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    Social interaction is valuable for enriching people's lives.
     
  6. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    People who join frats are typically a bit more social than those who don't? That this can help lead to being more social and successful in the future?

    Now there is a revelation.
     
  7. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy You gave me my own tail?

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    I have it on reasonably good authority that when 8 dorm rats get custom tailored shirts with Gamma Delta Iota on the front some groups of greeks(not the nationals Kyr!) will get bent out of shape about it.
     
  8. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    I don't think we have uni frats here. I know there weren't any in my uni in England (but maybe some other english universities have them). FWIW we had 'clubs' in Essex, and i tried to join two, but decided to just not in the end. I recall an original red-bearded hipster in the 'philosophy club'. :(
     
  9. Harv

    Harv Emperor Supporter

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    It looks like were measuring general well being based on career, (sense of purpose at work) social, physical, financial, community. Me?

    Geek or Greek: I am a Geek, not a Greek.
    Career: Doing well.
    Social: Epicfail.
    Physical: Doing very well.
    Financial: Doing very well.
    Community: Doing okay.
     
  10. salty mud

    salty mud Deity

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    I have never heard of them existing over here.
     
  11. illram

    illram Deity

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    Isn't there a wide spectrum of frats? Not all of them are crazy hard partying misogynistic dens of debauchery.

    I'd say any fulfilling and supportive social network greatly aids future success and happiness. On some campuses, it is more difficult to find that outside a frat. On others, frats are almost irrelevant and you have to do it the old fashioned way.
     
  12. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    Probably would see the same pattern with clubs and other types of organizations. Now frats vs those organizations would be an interesting comparison.
     
  13. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    This is an incredibly basic hypothesis:

    A. Humans are social creatures and require social interaction (of varying degrees) to be happy
    B. Fraternities are places where lots of social interaction occurs

    Thus C., humans who attend fraternities tend to be happier and better adjusted.

    The networking and socialization and "all that" that takes place at fraternities, leads to better opportunities, more drinking with buddies, more sex.. generally more stuff that makes humans happier.

    So people end up happier? Yep, that works for me. Case closed.
     
  14. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    Yes, this is the explanation.

    It's well known having community is good for one's mental/emotional/physical (and probably financial) health. Same reason churchgoers live longer despite religion being a bunch of silliness.
     
  15. cybrxkhan

    cybrxkhan Asian Xwedodah

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    The conclusions don't come as much surprise to me - you're more social, you have connections, you have things to distract you, you're probably gonna be happier. I'd wager this applies to organizations and clubs in general. Comparing my various high school friends and how they ended up in college, the happier ones (relatively speaking) were those that were more social, and, thus, generally, were part of some sort of organization, whether this was a frat, a business group, or an anime club.



    I would like to see that. And even seeing the differences between different types of fraternities - i.e. the more academic ones, vs. the stereotypical alcohol-sex-orgy-party ones, and so on. Or, another matter, at some schools like mine frats and sororities aren't as big a deal (that's not to say they're irrelevant, per se), so organizations in general play a more important role - would there be a difference in these sort of schools, vs. schools with a stronger frat/sorority tradition? My school for instance is known to be very high in terms of social... awesomeness (can't think of the right word at the moment), but people tend to say its frats and parties suck compared to that of other schools, relatively speaking.
     
  16. Jawz II

    Jawz II Oh Dear

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    You know who has more fulfilling lives than them? barnyard animals.
     
  17. Labtec600

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    I am assuming this is social fraternities?

    As someone posted, they tend to get parties/drinking/sex...all things that can make you happy and in turn give you more drive.

    I was in one for a year. I found it wasn't my thing and quit...but I wouldn't take it back. I can't tell you if it made me better off because I can't compare it to me if I didnt do it.
     
  18. BvBPL

    BvBPL Pour Decision Maker

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    This shouldn't be a surprise at all. It is call fraternity for a reason. Man needs friends.
     
  19. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    Yeah. As far as I know, this wasn't limited to just frats in the Greek system. There are social frats, frats centered around certain academic disciplines, service frats, etc. While my frat shared much in common with typical Greek organizations (we had letters, we had a pledge drive, we had a secret society, we drank and partied), we were also co-ed, and membership in the organization was based in large part around community service. Your experiences will vary.

    Also, certainly, the "importance" of frats varies from campus to campus. The study didn't show differences from public or private schools, or in certain geographies, or in the academic rigor of the school, but perhaps there are other variables missed.

    Yeah, that could be interesting too.

    I see the "well, this should be self evidence, since all those people are social" argument, and I think there is a lot of truth to it, but I'm not 100% sure that explains all of it. What makes a particularly social person more likely to work on an academic project that takes more than a semester? What makes them more likely to get internships? What makes them care about specific professors?

    It explains community engagement, but I think there may be a little more here.
     
  20. SS-18 ICBM

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    This is why designing your study is very important, in order to reach interesting conclusions.

    As a side note, I hate graphs that don't show a measure of variance. Is 34% vs 36% a significant difference or is it statistical noise? Random samples aren't the same as the population.
     

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