Spain - Exploration Age Civilization Discussion

[Atlas627]

The ways to become Spain were shown, and they were: be Greece, be Rome, or be Isabella.

 

[anemo]

I must say... this Conquistador ability list seems a lot more interesting and powerful than the previous GP civ lists...

Spain is going to be a powerhouse for those wanting to play the distant lands/treasure fleet game !

EDIT: I'm going to have a very hard time deciding on my first game, as distant land exploration is really my type of game, but I really wanted to start Mississipi.... I don't see a line from Mississipi to Spain

EDIT2: Also, I really hope there's another way of protecting the treasure fleets than outright declaring war on anyone with ships too close.... Seems very reactionary to me... I feel you should be able to attach a naval commander to treasure fleet as protection

Play Mississippi with Isabella. She will unlock Spain.

 

[UWHabs]

We haven't been told anything about a set number of unlocks. It's not clear if every civ has a gameplay unlock or not, though that would make sense. After mentioning it about Mongolia, it seems to be something they're not ready to talk about.

They quite craftily broke out of the stream moving into the civ selection screen for the age to not spoil the other options.

I'm still a little undecided if every civ will have a "gameplay unlock" or if that will be limited to only certain civs. I forget the exact wording they used when they initially mentioned Mongolia, I'm starting to lean towards not every civ having a gameplay unlock available to them, and that it will be limited to only a handful of civs.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

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Spain Background Art

where does background art show in-game?

 

[Siptah]

where does background art show in-game?

When selecting the civ and at the end of the age movie snippet.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I'm thinking maybe someone could make a mod where the background art could be used as a leader screen, and the leader models rotated towards the viewer (though they would look weird since they're rigged to be seen from the side) like in Civs 5 and 6

 

[chaosprophet]

We haven't been told anything about a set number of unlocks. It's not clear if every civ has a gameplay unlock or not, though that would make sense. After mentioning it about Mongolia, it seems to be something they're not ready to talk about.

I'm curious about it too. Maybe they want to wait until we have at least the game guides and confirmation for every exploration civ before talking about it, or maybe they don't have it as high priority as a considerable group, at least a loud portion of the fan base regardless of actual size, cares so much more about historical connections than the completely disconnect ones that gameplay unlocks would allow.

 

[El Castellano]

I like the style of play that they have given to this civilization to play. I would have preferred that they had called it as Castile, and that they had given it a list of cities with some relevant peninsular cities of that historical period and some castilian colonies in America. Something like Toledo as capital, and cities such as Burgos, Sevilla, Valladolid, León, La Habana, Veracruz, Lima, Cartagena de Indias, etc.
But well, I will settle for this.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I like the style of play that they have given to this civilization to play. I would have preferred that they had called it as Castile, and that they had given it a list of cities with some relevant peninsular cities of that historical period and some castilian colonies in America. Something like Toledo as capital, and cities such as Burgos, Sevilla, Valladolid, León, La Habana, Veracruz, Lima, Cartagena de Indias, etc.
But well, I will settle for this.

Veracruz will most likely be taken by Mexico. I think Spain has enough cities that they don't need to take some from their colonies, especially if those end up being civs too.

 

[Atlas627]

Seems like the placement restrictions for the 2 buildings are swapped? Thematically, at least.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

• Christopher Columbus: Activated on any Water tile in Distant Lands to reveal the world map except for the interior of Distant Lands.

This is a cool ability, but it seems misplaced being assigned to Columbus. I don't think he ever learned the Pacific existed. I know they gave Magellen something else, but this would seem more appropriate for him, I think.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Clarification required: Ed and Carl said that Conquistadors require the Plaza in order to be built. But the Civ Guide says they require a Wharf. The Plaza makes more sense, but which is true? @FXS_Sar

 

[Krikkit1]

• Christopher Columbus: Activated on any Water tile in Distant Lands to reveal the world map except for the interior of Distant Lands.

This is a cool ability, but it seems misplaced being assigned to Columbus. I don't think he ever learned the Pacific existed. I know they gave Magellen something else, but this would seem more appropriate for him, I think.

Columbus might be better as one that can activate on a nonDistant lands tile and gives a Boat +1 vision.

 

[El Castellano]

Veracruz will most likely be taken by Mexico. I think Spain has enough cities that they don't need to take some from their colonies, especially if those end up being civs too.

I am not talking about a list for a Spanish civilization. I mean that if it was called Castile, the cities of the Crown of Aragon such as Barcelona, Zaragoza or Valencia would be removed. Other castilian cities such as Madrid, Santander, Cadiz, etc. could also be removed. These cities could be on a list for a Spain that was in the third age of the game.

Leaving Castile as civilization of the age of exploration with some relevant castilian cities and with some relevant colonial cities in America. Which would make a lot of sense since their skills are based on colonizing other continents and developing those overseas cities. In addition, Veracruz was founded by the conquistador Hernán Cortés. And, using your own argument, Mexico also has many cities so that it does not need to have Veracruz yes or yes.

All this if the name of Castile would have been put to this civilization, I repeat. With the name of Spain I have no complaints from the cities list. But this civilization in the game mainly represents Castilla, not Spain.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Columbus should be: "Activate in Home Land waters to teleport to a random unexplored tile in Distant Lands waters."

 

[gdr_willter]

• Christopher Columbus: Activated on any Water tile in Distant Lands to reveal the world map except for the interior of Distant Lands.

This is a cool ability, but it seems misplaced being assigned to Columbus. I don't think he ever learned the Pacific existed. I know they gave Magellen something else, but this would seem more appropriate for him, I think.

Well, I think this is kinda fair bonus for him.

Before then, the European people thought that there is just wide ocean and no land except their old world. For them, regardless they already knew that the earth is globe, the unseen water outside of their world is nothing important, so they considered it is meaningless - and this is why we see the fog of the map all over the outer ocean in the game.

After his voyage, people realized there is a huge chunk of land which is not connected with India or China over there. So they finally considered about the water which is surrounding the continents, and the new world which is nearly unknown in details - and this is why we gain the revealed ocean and the distant lands covered by the fog. He always believed that he found the route toward India until he died, but this is not so critical point more than the result that he really made - changing the people's point of view about the world.

Plus) I'm awared about those vikings and so on who found America before him, but their knowledge was not so famous in that time.

 

[AriochIV]

Chances they would include an activist-bait figure like Columbus in 2025 -- 0.0%

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Chances they would include an activist-bait figure like Columbus in 2025 -- 0.0%

Except they did. He's one of Spain's Conquistadors

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

• Christopher Columbus: Activated on any Water tile in Distant Lands to reveal the world map except for the interior of Distant Lands.

This is a cool ability, but it seems misplaced being assigned to Columbus. I don't think he ever learned the Pacific existed. I know they gave Magellen something else, but this would seem more appropriate for him, I think.

To be fair, he thought he did cross the Pacific, considering he thought he landed in India.

I am not talking about a list for a Spanish civilization. I mean that if it was called Castile, the cities of the Crown of Aragon such as Barcelona, Zaragoza or Valencia would be removed. Other castilian cities such as Madrid, Santander, Cadiz, etc. could also be removed. These cities could be on a list for a Spain that was in the third age of the game.

Leaving Castile as civilization of the age of exploration with some relevant castilian cities and with some relevant colonial cities in America. Which would make a lot of sense since their skills are based on colonizing other continents and developing those overseas cities. In addition, Veracruz was founded by the conquistador Hernán Cortés. And, using your own argument, Mexico also has many cities so that it does not need to have Veracruz yes or yes.

All this if the name of Castile would have been put to this civilization, I repeat. With the name of Spain I have no complaints from the cities list. But this civilization in the game mainly represents Castilla, not Spain.

Oh, ok. I didn't realize you were specifically talking about it hypothetically being Castille instead of Spain.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

To be fair, he thought he did cross the Pacific, considering he thought he landed in India.

Technically, he thought he crossed the Atlantic to India.