Spain - Exploration Age Civilization Discussion

[AriochIV]

Except they did. He's one of Spain's Conquistadors

Oh, hehe... didn't read carefully ;D Thought you were talking about leaders.

 

[FXS_Sar]

Clarification required: Ed and Carl said that Conquistadors require the Plaza in order to be built. But the Civ Guide says they require a Wharf. The Plaza makes more sense, but which is true? @FXS_Sar

Stream slip-up. The game guide is correct!

 

[dagriggstar]

For whatever reason the idea of the Spanish empire I have in my head would be mostly (many) towns covering the new world feeding the homelands. So to have an ability that converts towns into cities feels a bit weird in that context.
I would have been tempted to go the complete other direction - lower settlement limit but towns do not count towards your settlement limit.

 

[Krikkit1]

For whatever reason the idea of the Spanish empire I have in my head would be mostly (many) towns covering the new world feeding the homelands. So to have an ability that converts towns into cities feels a bit weird in that context.
I would have been tempted to go the complete other direction - lower settlement limit but towns do not count towards your settlement limit.

Well, I think they are feeding the homelands $ and trade goods rather than food. And they did develop their conquests (which would be made into towns and then built back up into cities)….unlike the English (Norman with U settler) where there was less conquest and more push out and resettle.

 

[Uberfrog]

Does anyone know what's up with the hot air balloons? I thought they were invented in "Modern Age" France.

Yeah, the art is nice enough, but I’m quite disappointed at the lack of attention to detail in the civ-specific artwork. Things like white marble statues in Greece is unsurprising giving popular depictions, but hot air balloons over El Escorial is bizarre…

I would have picked a galleon sailing into the Port of Seville to capture the essence of Civ 7’s Spain.

 

[Josephias]

Indeed, the hot air ballons are a somewhat too excesive artistic license... and dominate most of the image. Do not fit age and also are nothing specific to spain (there may be some, but I won't say it is a "traditional" sight or tourist atraction as it may be in capadocia or other areas...). So, what do they do there?

Edit: BTW, I need to point out: that palace-castle is not El Escorial, it's the Alhambra (see phtoto at the foot of this page, in example)

 

[BuchiTaton]

Disappointed by the Spanish and Isabella designs, as a whole is another example of use too many uniques for a redundant theme.
* Siglo de Oro, OK we get it GOLD!!!, seriously the Sigo de Oro could be used in a broad sense for the "Golden Age" of Spain's history but the more meaninfull aspect of it was the cultural one, spanish literature, painting and architecture, do people forget that Spain is the country with the third most cultural World Heritage Sites and a lot of the ones in the Americas were made under spanish rule?
* Instead of Cerro Rico that is a more particular mining site there was a proper category for the Real de Minas.
* "New World Riches" seriously? Why not use Plus Ultra if you would expand settle and exploit over sea it was in the spanish coins and the spanish coat of arms.
* Isabella as a "(natural) wonderlust" is odd when her and the whole spanish official justification for world exploration and conquest (beyond gold that it already stated in the design) was the religious conversion to catholicism of the these new peoples, she was know as Isabel La Católica for a reason, for god sake.
It is beyond evident the lack of the missionary part in the spanish design, Misión and Presidio were perfect material for spanish uniques.
* Seven Cities of Gold, "facepalm". Isabela was dead by the time the leyend arose and if those are cities how are they "natural" wonders? The Santa Inquisición would be a way more fitting ability that at least provide another theme.
* By the way some consistency on the languae for the names would be nice so we better get Concejo de Indias and La Grande y Felicísima Armada (funny thing english speakers love to add the articles when trying to speak spanish but in this case it is significative since it was not just an Army but THE Army so "La" is needed).
* Also Exploration Age includes the whole medieval period but there was not even a wink to medieval Spain between all those uniques?

I mean all these options to work with...

 

[Uberfrog]

Edit: BTW, I need to point out: that palace-castle is not El Escorial, it's the Alhambra (see phtoto at the foot of this page, in example)

Apologies for my palatial illiteracy!

 

[Xandinho]

I do think I would have preferred a mission improvement that could only be built in distant lands. I don't have any complaints about the UUs.

In a way, the Reductions (the Missions) could end up becoming the unique improvements of a possible Guarani civ in the future.

 

[ehecatzin]

The Santa Inquisición would be a way more fitting ability that at least provide another theme.

You make an interesting point...no mention of the Spanish inquisition, like, at all. the pessimist in me thinks it's just avoiding controversial topics, but maybe there's a chance they are saving the inquisition "flavour" for a leader later? as you say, the exploration theme is hammered hard in Spain and Isabella.

Maybe It's just copium, but some DLC's later, someone like Tomas de Torquemada could be the "inquisition" leader, in a similar vein to how Maquiavelli was casted as the "backstabber" leader. heck maybe Phillip II makes it back, old flavour and all and takes that space.

 

[Krikkit1]

You make an interesting point...no mention of the Spanish inquisition, like, at all. the pessimist in me thinks it's just avoiding controversial topics, but maybe there's a chance they are saving the inquisition "flavour" for a leader later? as you say, the exploration theme is hammered hard in Spain and Isabella.

Maybe It's just copium, but some DLC's later, someone like Tomas de Torquemada could be the "inquisition" leader, in a similar vein to how Maquiavelli was casted as the "backstabber" leader. heck maybe Phillip II makes it back, old flavour and all and takes that space.

Well the problem is Religion is Age 2... we won't have a Religious focused Leader.. only Religious Civs

 

[Lord Lakely]

Well the problem is Religion is Age 2... we won't have a Religious focused Leader.. only Religious Civs

Religion isn't a thing in Age 1 (and probably not in Age 3 either) You cannot have a religious focused leader if their bonuses only work in one of the three ages.

 

[Krikkit1]

Religion isn't a thing in Age 1 (and probably not in Age 3 either) You cannot have a religious focused leader if their bonuses only work in one of the three ages.

Exactly

I could see redoing spains ability so that it was more Reconquista, and have Isabella focus on Exploration, but our religious focus is going to come from Age 2 civs (and maybe an occasional Age 3 civ that keeps its religion a going concern)

 

[El Castellano]

You make an interesting point...no mention of the Spanish inquisition, like, at all. the pessimist in me thinks it's just avoiding controversial topics, but maybe there's a chance they are saving the inquisition "flavour" for a leader later? as you say, the exploration theme is hammered hard in Spain and Isabella.

Maybe It's just copium, but some DLC's later, someone like Tomas de Torquemada could be the "inquisition" leader, in a similar vein to how Maquiavelli was casted as the "backstabber" leader. heck maybe Phillip II makes it back, old flavour and all and takes that space.

I don't like Torquemada as a leader of Spain/Castile. Since it is a figure that symbolizes religious fanaticism and cruelty. To choose a leader of the Inquisition for Spain/Castile I would prefer Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros. He was regent of Castile after the death of Isabel la Católica, recovered the Mozarabic rite, and contributed to the reform of the Catholic Church in Castile.