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Spanish Civil War Suggestions

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Road to War' started by Tboy, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. sk8er AG

    sk8er AG Chieftain

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    i think giving units is a workable idea but shouldnt the nation giving get there units that arent destroyed back w/ increased xp points?
     
  2. notque

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    Another potent idea would be to have the Republican side lose several food resources at the split, and have cities large enough that this caused problems.

    A large issue in the war was that the geography of Spain made it so the Nationalists had the majority of food, while the Republic starved.

    And then another idea I think would make sense would be to have the Republic "draft" troops that are weaker, while the Nationalists would not have such ability. This would include the Women fighting, the International brigades fighting, and the general ease of which troops, although lacking many weapons, were available to the republicans.

    I remember, I think it was Civ 3 where you could draft troops that were weaker. I don't remember if that's in Civ 4, but it would work quite well to indicate the differences in a dynamic way.
     
  3. notque

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    Another great idea would be to have the Nationalists as Christians, and the Republicans without religion, ideally with the civic.

    The Republicans should have no churches or religion of any kind. The Nationalists should have church buildings.
     
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    Another thing on resources, the Nationalists should send mining resources to Germany, they required it for their war machines, and Spain supported them.

    If say, the Nationalists lose in Road to War, Germany would have to find new resources to build.
     
  5. notque

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    And they shouldn't be called fascists, they were a Christian Conservative Dictatorship. They only pretended to be Fascist in propaganda, with only one actual fascist policy. The Falange (the Spanish fascist party) were isolated and ignored after the war.
     
  6. Dale

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    In case you hadn't noticed, religion does not exist in RtW.

    According to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War everyone "referred to them as the Fascists or Francoists".

    They had philosophys of dictatorship, nationalism, centralisation and the ellimination of beauracracy. They also were hard-line anti-communist.

    All traits of Fascism.
     
  7. Chamboozer

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    Another great suggestion would be putting all of your suggestions in one post :)
     
  8. notque

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    Religion does not exist, but it should. It was an important part.

    Everyone referred to them as Fascists but it was propaganda.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange

    (I think we could use wikipedia to counter arguments all day. Funny how that works.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

    "Although Franco and Spain under his rule adopted some trappings of fascism, he, and Spain under his rule, are not generally considered to be fascist; among the distinctions, fascism entails a revolutionary aim to transform society, where Franco and Franco's Spain did not seek to do so, and, to the contrary, although authoritarian, were conservative and traditional. Stanley Payne, the preeminent scholar on fascism and Spain notes: "scarcely any of the serious historians and analysts of Franco consider the generalissimo to be a core fascist". The consistent points in Franco's long rule included above all authoritarianism, nationalism, the defence of Catholicism and the family, anti-Freemasonry, and anti-Communism."
     
  9. notque

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    I'm not hurting anything by adding a ton of random information in the thread.

    At worst, if I'm ignored posting in here, what's the harm?

    I know a bit of coding myself, I'm considering editing the situations to be historically accurate on my own accord taking Road to War, and focusing solely on the Spanish Civil War.
     
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    The issue with adding religion is really twofold. One; since it's not in RtW at the moment, it would be difficult to put back in and would not work well with the current setup (I think)
    Two; What would be the purpose? Sure, it is historically accurate, but it wouldn't change gameplay one bit except to create the problem of adding another ideaology.
     
  11. notque

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    Reasonable response.

    I'm just tossing things around. If they don't make sense, explain why. I'm likely to agree after I've considered it some more.

    It's the accuracy / gameplay trade off. So far, The Spanish Civil War has very little accuracy in the sense that there isn't any actual detail to it.

    An extremely high view without detail.

    So an example that would be valuable. Resources.

    Germany required Spanish Nationalist resources.

    The principle resource was wolfram (or tungsten) ore from German-owned mines in Spain. Wolfram was essential to Germany for its advanced precision engineering and therefore for armament production. Despite Allied attempts to buy all available supplies, which rocketed in price, and diplomatic efforts to influence Spain, supplies to Germany continued until August 1944. Payment for wolfram was effectively set against the Spanish debt to Germany. Other minerals included iron ore, zinc, lead and mercury.


    Thus, the resource could be added to Spain, as well as other countries as be relied on for Germany for building units. Whatever is historically accurate.

    Is that a reasonable addition that would add to gameplay and accuracy?
     
  12. Dale

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    Here are some points to consider:

    1. Religion was replaced with Ideology. In the era covered, what was more important? Ideology!
    2. SCW is a prelude to World War II. What is this Mod about? World War II (not SCW).
    3. There is already a great SCW Mod existing, 1936 Spain.
     
  13. sk8er AG

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    hate to sound cluelss but i didnt kno theres a scw mod any info on how to download is welcome
     
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    i think adding religion to the game is a good idea. but what about adding more types of ideology. werent certian countries still under monarchy rule.
    Also shouldnt there be more than one ideology in some cities, many in eastern europe liked the idea of communism.
     
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    That's going to be the case in the Huge Europe map.
     
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    yea noticed that about 3.13 patch
     
  19. Tboy

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    A point to consider - I got this event just now in my game as the UK, a leftover from the religious random events, and it could be tweaked slightly to represent foreign aid:

     

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    Great idea!
     

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