Spy usage question

[Lenowill]

Suppose I have a kick-butt culture city along my border, and it's pressing hard on some rinky-dink city that a rival owns.

Suppose the pressured city's culture is at, say, 80% mine 20% theirs.

Obviously, there's a chance for revolts to start occurring at random. And sometimes the city might just decide to flip and join me altogether.

My question is this:

If I use a Spy to incite a revolt in a city that's in danger of being flipped, can the resulting revolt lead immediately to the flipping of the city? Or are "revolt" and "flip" two different calculations in Civ4?

Basically, I'm wondering if I can use spy-spam to make towns flip faster if they're already in danger of doing so. (And not just by using the Spread Culture mission.)

Anyone know?

 

[kossin]

They're 2 different things completely, unfortunately, so no.

 

[Lenowill]

So the main use then is just to mess with their production for a day, or more likely, to nix their Cultural Defense for a day so you can ram their city with an SoD.

Thanks.

 

[CarlH]

You can use spies to assist in flipping by spreading/influencing culture. This was bugged until the most recent patch (only added 0.5% culture, rather than 5%). So if ur using 3.19, try that.

That said, if the flippin city has a big garrison, it probably wont flip.

 

[Izmir Stinger]

That said, if the flippin city has a big garrison, it probably wont flip.

Also, if the culturally pressured city has a really big garrison, make sure you check WHEERON. It may not be the garrison so much as the invasion force assembling.

 

[MadmanAtW]

I have a question about the Spread Culture mission. What conditions are required to be met for it to be available? I was at war with Mansa, got him down to one city, and that city vassaled to China, ending the war. One of the cities I took had had a lot of wonders, so his culture was strong around it. One of those adjacent tiles had a silver mine on it, and I wanted that silver. I built all the cultural buildings and started just building culture (war with China was not a good idea at the time), and then had the bright idea of building a few spies to spread culture.

The spread culture mission never appeared as an option on that tile. I sent a spy to the last Malinese city and sat it there for 5 turns, with all my espionage towards Mali, and the mission never appeared there either. What needed to have happened to get those missions to appear? (FTR, I nuked his monument on the grounds that it was an amusingly mean thing to do, and called it a day with the spies.)

 

[Lenowill]

Also, if the culturally pressured city has a really big garrison, make sure you check WHEERON. It may not be the garrison so much as the invasion force assembling.

As was the case in the recent game in which I had Wang Kon pinned in on a tiny corner of a continent that wasn't big enough for all of us.... xD

What needed to have happened to get those missions to appear?

I think one of your cities' cultural borders must be large enough that the targeted city is included in that radius (even if the city in question is not yet in any danger of flipping). If your culture isn't already reaching that far, you can't spread culture into the city tile. At least, that's what seemed to be the case when I was testing it earlier. I could be wrong though, and someone else may have more expertise on the subject.

 

[UWHabs]

As was the case in the recent game in which I had Wang Kon pinned in on a tiny corner of a continent that wasn't big enough for all of us.... xD



I think one of your cities' cultural borders must be large enough that the targeted city is included in that radius (even if the city in question is not yet in any danger of flipping). If your culture isn't already reaching that far, you can't spread culture into the city tile. At least, that's what seemed to be the case when I was testing it earlier. I could be wrong though, and someone else may have more expertise on the subject.

Yeah, you need to have one of your cities with some culture on the square, and then you'll get the option.

 

[Lenowill]

Mm. *thinks of making a Spy Culture Bombing Stack of Doom xD*

 

[MadmanAtW]

Yeah, you need to have one of your cities with some culture on the square, and then you'll get the option.

I didn't have any culture in his city, and so I wasn't actually surprised to not get the option. However, the description of the mission was phrased such that it sounded like it could be applied to a tile and not just a city, and the actual tile I was trying to flip was 10% my culture at the point that I pulled out spies.

 

[Lenowill]

Aye, you can only spread it in their city. However it seems that if you get enough of your own culture into the city (by using the Spread Culture Mission over and over again) it's actually possible to flip other tiles within the city's radius by so doing. (You would need to run the mission a lot of times, mind you, but it's neat to have a source of your own culture within an enemy city you haven't yet taken).