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Stalin: Third Greatest Russian

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Stalin voted third-best Russian

Former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was beaten by medieval prince Alexander Nevsky in a poll held by a TV station to find the greatest Russian.

Stalin came third, despite being responsible for the deaths of millions of Soviets in labour camps and purges.

Alexander Nevsky fought off European invaders in the 13th century to preserve a united Russia.

In second place was reformist Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin, who was assassinated in 1911.

More than 50 million people voted by phone, the internet or via text messages in the poll held by Rossiya, one of Russia's biggest television stations.

The voting took place over six months as 500 original candidates were whittled down to a final 12.

Rehabilitation campaign

Stalin - born an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.

Stalin sent millions of people to their deaths in the work camps of the Gulag. Millions more perished in political purges or during the forced collectivisation of farms during his rule from the 1920s to his death in 1953.

Many in Russia do still revere Stalin for his role during World War II when the Soviet Union defeated the forces of Nazi Germany.

But now there is a much broader campaign to rehabilitate Stalin and it seems to be coming from the highest levels of government, says our correspondent.

"We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put [Joseph] Stalin in third place," said actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest's judges, after the results were released.

Nevsky fought off Swedish and Germanic invasions to preserve medieval Russia. He also pursued a conciliatory policy with the powerful Mongol rulers to protect Russia's eastern flank.

He was canonised as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church in the 16th century.

Stolypin is remembered for his attempts to modernise agriculture and and stifle leftist revolutionaries as prime minister under Tsar Nicholas II.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7802485.stm

Published: 2008/12/28 22:50:36 GMT

© BBC MMVIII
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I wonder where artistic figures (e.g. Tolstoy, Dostoevsky) and scientific and engineering figures (e.g. Mendeleev, Tsiolkovsky) place.

As far as the Greatest lists, the original Greatest Briton is probably the best and greatest.
 
god damn Russians, Stalin is supposed to be number one.:mad:
 
Stalin isn't even a Russian.
 
warpus said:
Imagine the international outrage if Germans had voted Hitler as the greatest ever German...
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Hitler failed. I have the tingling suspicion that had he succeeded in his plans, he would be revered as a great man.
 
Just another proof of how deeply screwed the Russian national mentality is. Only a masochist or an idiot can vote for one of the greatest mass murderers in human history. How many people did this guy kill? Was that 20 or 40 million, I lost count.

If Germans voted for Hitler, there would be an international outrage and suspicion. Stalin - nobody cares.
 
Defiant47 said:
Hitler failed. I have the tingling suspicion that had he succeeded in his plans, he would be revered as a great man.
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My point is that Stalin should be villified as much as Hitler is, here, in the West.
 
warpus said:
Imagine the international outrage if Germans had voted Hitler as the greatest ever German...
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But the headlines if he'd been voted the third greatest German!

WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR NEVSKY?!
 
warpus said:
He couldn't have, Russia wasn't a country back then. I suppose he was considered a Soviet citizen..
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I am a citizen of Missouri AND the United States of America. Could he not have been a citizen of Russia AND the USSR?
 
dido said:
I thought he was Georgian?:confused:
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He is Georgian only when they are hard-pressed enough to admit he also did something wrong...

EDIT: Seeing Nevsky come in as first is also quite telling. Not that I have anything bad to tell about the guy. But to pick a half-mythical guy from 13th century whose defining accomplishment was to defeat European invaders imho shows kind of...antagonism.
However, Stolypin as No 2 is really nice surprise.

The full results:
Spoiler :

Name, votes, rank
Александр Невский 524 575 1
П.А. Столыпин 523 766 2
И.В. Сталин 519 071 3
А.С. Пушкин 516 608 4
Петр I 448 857 5
В.И. Ленин 424 283 6
Ф.М. Достоевский 348 634 7
А.В. Суворов 329 028 8
Д.И. Менделеев 306 520 9
Иван IV Грозный 270 570 10
Екатерина II 152 306 11
Александр II 134 622 12
 
I am a citizen of Missouri AND the United States of America. Could he not have been a citizen of Russia AND the USSR?
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No he was a Georgian Soviet citizen. Russia was a different republic
 
Yeekim said:
He is Georgian only when they are hard-pressed enough to admit he also did something wrong...
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stalin never did anything wrong, everything he did was for the greater good of mother russia.
 
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