RRRaskolnikov
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why couldn't she have been replaced?
I am wondering about this too.
@MaryKB, hope to see you in a couple of months.
why couldn't she have been replaced?
Well nice of you to show up, but you really haven't done much to really put you on town read. Your misconstruing of my post doesn't make your reads seem believable to me. You say I town read Sommer, then voted for him, but you quote showing my town read of Sommer shows me voting for you. Before that I was ambivalent on Sommer's status, but given how everyone said Tak is bad, I thought it would only make sense if both Sommer and Tak are Maf, and a dead Sommer gives more info than a dead tak. I wasn't super suspicious of you, but your complete lack of truth and horrible reads puts you in the heavy wolf lean for me.
The last quote where he says that I voted for Sommer while saying they are town. Like read a bit will ya. Also yako didn't answer the question on why he was defending Csargo, and just said day 1 reads, when Csargo was acting sus enough to be wagoned. I just want to get an answer and instead they went on a whole rant against me, which I find incredibly suspicious.
Where's the lie?Yeah cause I love to roleclaim, but I can't really do that here sadly. The thing is I gave reasons why I voted Sommer, making Yakostovian's statement a complete and utter lie. If they had just said why they had a bad read on Csargo I would have moved on to someone else. And for you Arak, try doing something other than tunneling me and maybe people won't suspect you.
Ah... that's clear, thanks.bussing: throwing your mafia mate under the bus (getting him lynched to get town cred). See Takhisis (bussing Synsensa in Mario Mafia).
I'm still not clear on "bussing" though. What I'm saying is I understand what it means now, but I don't get why the term connects to the action, like how "wagon" means "bandwagon" and "tunnel" means "tunnel-vision" etc.
I am wondering about this too.
Thanks for the preemptive explanation*thunderdome - two men enter, one man leaves (usually propositioned by a townie who is deadset on his opposition being a wolf. More often than not, it's TvT.)
Got it, thankslike turning over a card to reveal its face
Very low effort read.I'd agree that Visor is probably town, but then I usually read him as town anyway, so that's not saying a lot.
Very low effort read.
Sommer/Tak
-never w/w
-both of them are scummy, tho
-there's a chance of them being v/v and it's the only scenario in which we can't kill both
-Tak angle shot, made some wolfy defenses and that terrible d1 list
-Sommer's activity was forceful, he didn't reenter the thread today
Sorry Dolby, there's still should be a wolf between them.
So suspicions on Takhisis/Arakhor/Yakostovian based on D1 rereading.
Spoiler Yakostovian :
Yakostovian ( ) has some good posts imo... but it striked me how he has been backing Csargo and distancing from Tak (without scratching him) all day long... and pushing a sommer lunch (villager imo)
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His 2nd post is a read list. With Csargo TRed. Tak is null.
but it is true OMGUS. Sticking to this line all day.
I am not ignoring that.
For the love of Jebus, I will never do that...
liking Csargo for town, don't think Tak is town, but not willing to vote him bad read/incoherence or lying/distancing? Since there is a pattern in this D1, I am inclined to think it's the latter.
never did. stayed on sommer until the end. Again, that might be some kind of distancing.
"hope to see Sommer stay in the lead" OK... followed by a flat description of what Csargo did (aimee style). Not reading him whatsoever, it feels like a Csargo's rehabilitation attempt. Also not mentioning the content of the readslist which I found very bad.
LA is getting worse as time goes.
I didn't post in this thread yesterday because yesterday was too stressful with it seeming like everyone was after me. When I glanced at the thread after it reopened it seemed like things were even worse than yesterday and even more people had made up their minds to kill me so I thought "Well I'm dead, that's that" I figured at that point that literally anything I said would be interpreted as grounds to kill me as folks had already made up their minds, so I wasn't really up for posting in the thread.
Anyway, I've read the whole thread at this point and I will say that it seems dumb to lynch anyone who voted for Csargo because Csargo is a confirmed Klingon. The only person who voted for Csargo who should not be off the hook... for at least a couple days... is me, because I only voted for Csargo to self-pres, obviously. Csargo's vote to lynch me doesn't exonerate me for the same reason, he was clearly self pres'ing. But clearly anyone besides me who was voting for Csargo is in the clear, because if they were mafia they would have switched to me to save their comrade, right?
Also, it seems dumb to lynch, any of the three people Csargo said we should lynch, (Tak, Montmercy and Synsensa) because Csargo is a confirmed wolf. I mean, its possible that he named one wolf in his "I would lynch" post just to throw folks off, but all three? No way, right? So those three people have got to be given a pass, again, at least for a couple days until more suspicious targets are explored.
So the people who seem like they should be assumed town and lynch-exempt at this point are Synsensa, Visor, Empoof, Takhisis, Manasi and Monty, because those are the people, who are still alive, excluding myself, who either voted for Csargo or were named by Csargo for a lynch (Tak and Sysensa were both). My final thought is that anyone who has been hard pushing anyone on that list (people who voted for Csargo or were targeted by Csargo) for a lynch has to be a prime suspect.
Also... what are "bus / bussing" and "PR"?
After thinking about it some more I am now 100% certain that Tak is town. I also agree with the analysis linking me and Tak. Here are my reasons:
Tak voted for Csargo last round when Tak could have voted to kill me instead, but is now voting to kill me this round, what that tells me is Tak was guessing that Csargo and I are both wolves and wants to kill us both. That means Tak is town. There is no way a wolf would vote to kill two wolves consecutively. If Tak and I were both wolves it would make sense to save me over Csargo, if I was a PR wolf, but that theory goes out the window with Tak voting to lynch me this round. If I was a PR wolf, worth sacrificing Csargo D1 to save, Tak wouldn't then turn around and immediately lynch me on D2. So either I am a wolf and Tak is not, or neither Tak nor I are wolves. There is no way Tak can be a wolf.
If Tak was a wolf killing Csargo D1 instead of me only made sense if me and Csargo were both wolves. If Tak was a wolf and I was town then obviously Tak would have killed me, so it made sense D1 to think all three of us were wolves. But now Tak is voting to kill me so it no longer makes sense to think Tak is a wolf. Tak is town and guessing that I am a wolf.
Now since I know I am town, I know for certain that Tak would have voted to lynch me instead of Csargo D1 if Tak was a wolf, but there was no way for the rest of you to know that. But now with Tak opening up the day by starting a wagon on me, it should be clear to everyone that Tak can't be a wolf. Anyone still calling for Tak to by lynched has to be a suspect wolf at this point.
Here is what I suggest. Lynch me instead of Tak. That will prove I am town and clear Tak once and for all. At least then we only lose 1 town instead of two. My worry is that you let the wolves convince you to lynch Tak, which will not exonerate me, even after Tak is reveled to be town, then you will lynch me because reasons, which means we lose two town instead of one. If you are hell bent on killing both of us, let it be me first, because at least then you will only make 1 mistake not two.
Wow, such insight, very perception. What did you disagree with and why?I would say that Snerk's wall was definitely of lower quality.
I did no such thing. Why are you making up things about me?especially given how he pretty much exonerates Arakhor within that group.
I did no such thing. Why are you making up things about me?
Some musings:
Occam's razor says the Csargo wagon is pure. In general, bussing tinfoil hasn't been productive for us lately. Now this is assuming that Sommer is town, which he may not be. But I'm giving him a town point based on statistics if nothing else. w/w wagons d1 happens but w/v wagons are much more frequent. If there was a busser I'd look at manasi, she made some posts that looked like she was probing for a way off the wagon.
I always find the offwagoneers interesting in these scenarios. As wolf it's kind of a decent compromise between bussing and jumping on a counterwagon. I find that it's more temping to sit there as wolf than town.
Those are Johanna, Arakhor, Aimee and Winston.
I guess it's within Arakhor town meta to be cautious but still.
I don't see why Jo or Winston, as town, wouldn't just hammer down of whatever of the two wagons they preferred.
From the Sommer wagon I'm liking Monty the least right now. Thinking Monty or Jo right now.
I did no such thing. Why are you making up things about me?
You literally aren't cautious, your play is pretty much trying to get LA policied because "there's nothing to read off of", actively trying to suppress reading based off of the content, and being salty about the lynchDolbster is convinced I'm scum, despite never playing with me before, so apparently if someone who has played with me before confirms that my being cautious is not just an act, that automatically makes you suspicious too. Yet I'm the one tunnelling people...
But, is Arakor even voting Argon? Last I checked, no.You literally aren't cautious, your play is pretty much trying to get LA policied because "there's nothing to read off of", actively trying to suppress reading based off of the content, and being salty about the lynch
If that's town Arakhor I'm disappointed