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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game IV: Citizens' started by vra379971, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    I would have sworn that you, vra, had been appointed propaganda specialist for our Faction and that you were to cover the Front Page news posts (at least run them by DaveShack).
     
  2. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Sorry fellow Aretan Representatives, I have been away on important business for the King, Cyc that is. Before leaving I gave Civplayah the floor to plead his case because I feel it is his right. I will not endorse a co-Kingship.

    A multitude of rulers is not a good thing. Let there be one ruler, one King.
     
  3. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Public transcripts from today in the Cycles of Arete:

    Lets look at the facts:

    The Representatives of the Aretan people have already spoken and crowned Cyc King. Civplayah feels he should still be king because he did announce his absence but was delayed for longer than he anticipated (a total of 12 days before he was replaced).

    As Clerk of the Realm it is my duty to seek the will of the people through their Reps. I would need a Representative to support a new vote on the issue and another to second the motion. If I do not have this in 48 hours the Estates General Assembly will take no further action.
     
  4. Diamondeye

    Diamondeye So Happy I Could Die

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    Honorary clerk of the realm, may I add that I have never approved of Cycs kingship. He was meant to act as a placeholder for the king and that is exactly what he did. ANd he did it well. Nevertheless, I urge Cyc to deliver the throne back to the elected king Civplayah.

    On the other hand I am impressed by the work Cyc has done as temporary leader. I urge Civplayah not to take a rushed decision with him. In my honest opinion, Cyc can continue as Regent and right hand to the King if he steps down now. If he refuses a direct order from the king, the consequenses will of course be up to the king to decide.
     
  5. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Diamondeye, that's twice you've referred to civplayah as the elected King. Both times you have been wrong. civplayah was never elected King. The Cycles of Arete was chosen by the people to be the Prime Faction. The COA Faction was initiated by civplayah, who declared himself King for the Facion, but he was never elected as King.

    Ask Provolution who brought him back into this game. Then ask him who brought him to the COA. I did just as much to get the COA chosen as the Prime Faction as civplayah, if not more. So please refrain from calling civplayah the elected King. He is not. The COA won the election.
     
  6. Diamondeye

    Diamondeye So Happy I Could Die

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    I am sorry if I misunderstood the situation, but I was quite certain that Civplayah was the leader of the COA, and as the leader of the elected faction, naturally the King, If this conclusion is somehow wrong, I apologize sincerely. I am only interested in doing this according to the rules. I appreciate the effort you put into this Cyc, but I would rather see one of you step down that this splitting the COA. I understand if you cannot accept the proposition of continuing as Regent and right hand of the King, if you believe that you are rightfully the king. Nevertheless I am asking this of you to end this debate before it breaks into direct mudthrowing. I would accept the same conditions from Civplayah, that he lets you rule as king and remains regent himself. But it does not seem like I have any influence on this. I will let you and Civplayah discuss this. But please do so here, where we can all hear you, instead of under four eyes.
     
  7. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    The way i see it is although civplayah did annouce his intentions, they were put in the wrong thread, if he had posted in the absence thread then most of us would have known about his absence and we wouldn't be here. However because he was absence for 12 days(?), which was longer than expected
    without contact saying he was still around, and because of the thread civplayah posted his absence, Cyc was well within his right to ask to become King and we the citizens accepted him and therefore he is the legal King of this land.

    I also do not think there should be any co-kingship, that will just lead to arguements and the further stalling of the game, which none of us wants.

    On civplayah's position
    As stated here and elsewhere 1) This is no more a dictatorship then it was with you in charge and 2) He did get public approval. See the General Assembly thread

    Edit i not allowed to post here am I? :hammer2:
     
  8. civplayah

    civplayah phantasm

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    This seems like a time for either an a) Arbitration- a debate in which two people debate and an impartial third party keeps things going and wraps things up. b) Head to the chatroom for a council meeting.
     
  9. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    I, Vandal Warlord, representative of the Principality of Kassite, agree. If possible I could write a story to gain some more players, it might begin with something like this.

    1270 AD, the time before the war against the mighty Abraham Lincoln. Do you wish to join the Mighty Kingdom of Arete?

    Becasue you can! Come and join the Civilization IV BtS Democracy Game Three! New members are always welcome to join this Demo. Game experience. Here you can join five powerfull factions, or create your own, and try to work your way from an unnoticed citizen, to the King of Arete!



    Any ideas?
     
  10. civplayah

    civplayah phantasm

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    Short and sweet story, all that makes one good.;)
     
  11. Lord Civius

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    All Representatives are to direct their statements to the Clerk of the Realm. We will have order in the Assembly Hall. First Civplayah was an elected King as he was the PF leader when the CoA's were elected by the citizens. Secondly Cyc was also elected by the Estate General Assembly to Succeed Civplayah and was crowned King. Majority Rules in the Assembly so once 3 of the 5 Reps voted there was no need for a fourth vote Diamondeye, though you had plenty of time between the 8th - 12th to vote or voice your opinion on the matter. Here is where we stand, Diamondeye has shown his support for a new vote, now a second to the motion is needed. Sorry Vandal I will not allow a vote to come to the floor on a co-kingship.
     
  12. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    I never wanted a CO-Kingship!
     
  13. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    vra's statement above is about a co-Kingship, one for the RP and one for gameplay. So when you said "I agree" after the quote I just assumed you were agreeing with him. If I made a mistake then I am sorry. Please clarify what you agree with in the post.

    EDIT:
    Sorry Vandal you were agreeing with the second part of his thread, the part I did not read. You have my sincere apology.
     
  14. Diamondeye

    Diamondeye So Happy I Could Die

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    Honorary Clerk of The Realm,

    I am not deciding what should be done, whether a vote should be called or not. Neither do I imagine my vote is more important than others. My former reply was to Vandals statement that Cyc had been approved by all representatives, which was untrue.

    I can accept Cyc as a king if Civplayah agrees to this and is given an important position - such as regent. I can also accept the opposite - that Civplayah is deemed king with Cyc as regent. What is of importance to me is that the two of them solve this problem as fast as possible so that the people will not become unsure about the authority of the king. I suggest that Civplayah and Cyc plead their cause here in an arbitration, with the Lord Civius as neutral third part. The other representatives can aid Lord Civius in this.
     
  15. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    Honorary Clerk of the Realm,

    I agreed with Lord Cyc (can I say King Cyc? :p) to hold a turnchat tomorrow (saturday the 16th of august, noon GMT), can I continue that turnchat, between all of this, or should I wait? Let it be known that I won't be able to play for 10 days after saturday, so someone else will have to play instead, I can suggest Joe Harker, who will replace me on several other occasions already.
     
  16. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    If I may, Clerk of the Realm?

    Please plan on continuing, dutchfire. There was always a King. The active one set up your TS. Vandal Warlord and Joe Harker both are willing to play when needed.
     
  17. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Yes Diamondeye after reading your post again I see you were correcting Vandals statement. I aplologise for my mistake. I am all for Cyc and Civplayah working out a compromise but it seemed there debate was turning into an array of insults. This is not good for the Kingdom. The Assembly was designed to represent the will of the citizens of Arete. If we cannot be the third party that resolves this issue then who? If 2 of the 5 Reps do not support Civplayah as the rightful King then in my eyes the case is closed here at the EGA. However if it is the will of the EGA Representatives to have an open debate i will suspend the deadline on the motion I set before us.

    All Reps in favor of an open debate with me as the third party raise your family crest.
     
  18. vra379971

    vra379971 Deity

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    Hmm, I swear I never accepted that job...the main reason being that I'd not been around enough. If Vandal wants to for this report, he should - he has earned the honor.
     
  19. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    Huh, kinda funney how in the begining of the Dgame I was Public Enemy Number One, now I am a respected contributor to the DG community.
     
  20. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Sounds great Vandal. Don't forget to mention the Ginzu knives and the life-time guarantee. :D :thumbsup:
     

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