Stealth units in army?

[microbe]

Hi,

I am playing the Shogun, and researched Ninja. I have a couple of unloaded armies. Does anyone know that if I load 3 Ninja's into an army, will the army have the same stealth capability as the Ninja?

 

[Grey Fox]

I'm not sure. I think that a army full of marines won't funcion as a marine... so...

 

[Masquerouge]

In fact in C3C an army full of marines works as a marine, you can do amphibious assaults. But all units must be marines. Doh.
Now for stealth units I don't know, though it's quite funny to imagine the army guy with his giant flag being hidden

 

[microbe]

OK I actually tried it. I loaded 2 Ninja's into one army, and that army now could pillage inside other's territory without declaring war, but not if I mix it with a Samurai Archer.

So cool, it looks like if you only load Ninja, the army gets all the stealth as well.

But the army would not be able to attack cities, so I think I might not want to use Ninja on it..

 

[Tilarium]

Hmmm... this could be interesting. Before an army of marines didn't act as marines and thusly an army of paratroopers didn't act as paratroopers. Looking like this might have changed!

Kyle

 

[Grey Fox]

An army of Paratroopers! I can see it now! Cool!

Gotta try that out!

 

[Chieftess]

An army of paratroopers doesn't work. I just tried it - probably because you can't airlift armies. Then again, a 6/11/2 Modern Paratrooper army with 4 units in there (12/22/2) might be unbalancing...

 

[Azik Blaze]

oops.

 

[Dr Elmer Jiggle]

12/22/2 for a modern paratrooper army? I thought the Military Academy added 25% to attack and defense (thus 7/13/2 or 8/14/2 depending on rounding). Does the Pentagon add another 75%?

Somebody also recently posted in a different thread about an army of Immortals getting a 6 attack. That doesn't seem right either. 4 * 1.25 = 5, not 6.

What am I missing?

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

Armies get a bonus above and beyond the fact that there are multiple units in it.

I have been looking for the formula but cannot find it and search is disabled. Could someone please post it?

 

[Arathorn]

It is 1/6th of the total attack (resp. defense) strength of all the units in the army combined before military academy and 1/4th of total attributes after it is built.

So, pre-military academy, an army of 4 cavalry (possible with lots of leaders and Pentagon) will have an attack bonus of (6+6+6+6)/6 = 4 and a defense bonus of (3+3+3+3)/6 = 2, so it's effectively a 10/5/4 unit. NOW, after the academy finishes, those denominators go to 4, so the attack bonus is 6 (24/4) and defense bonus is 3, so it's a 12/6/4.

Army of 3 swordsman (no MA) has attack bonus of (3+3+3)/6 = 1.5 rounded down to 1 (I *think* -- not sure of the rounding) and defense bonus of (2+2+2)/6 = 1, so it's effectively a 4/3/2 unit.

Army of 3 immortals (no MA). Attack bonus of (4+4+4)/6 = 2 and defense bonus of (2+2+2)/6 = 1, so a 6/3/2 unit.

Armies of 4 of anything after the MA effectively double their attack/defense numbers, because they're added four times for total strength divided by 4, which always equals the original strength.

Arathorn

 

[Dr Elmer Jiggle]

Originally posted by Arathorn
It is 1/6th of the total attack (resp. defense) strength of all the units in the army combined before military academy and 1/4th of total attributes after it is built.

Oh, it's applied to the total attack of all units in the army! That's huge!

Thanks.

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

Thankyou Arathorn

Is this documented somewhere that i missed?

 

[robcheng]

Originally posted by microbe
OK I actually tried it. I loaded 2 Ninja's into one army, and that army now could pillage inside other's territory without declaring war, but not if I mix it with a Samurai Archer.

So cool, it looks like if you only load Ninja, the army gets all the stealth as well.

But the army would not be able to attack cities, so I think I might not want to use Ninja on it..

You mean it gets hidden nationality, not stealth. Stealth attack is when you get to select your target out of a stack of units. Can the army of ninjas do that? Incidentally, being able to pillage many tiles per turn without declaring war is probably worth creating an army that can't attack cities...

 

[Grey Fox]

Originally posted by robcheng
Incidentally, being able to pillage many tiles per turn without declaring war is probably worth creating an army that can't attack cities...

Normal armies can pillage too, and the good thing is that the AI avoids attacking armies, so you can pillage as much as you want.

 

[microbe]

Originally posted by robcheng


You mean it gets hidden nationality, not stealth. Stealth attack is when you get to select your target out of a stack of units. Can the army of ninjas do that? Incidentally, being able to pillage many tiles per turn without declaring war is probably worth creating an army that can't attack cities...

I didn't try that, but I believe it gets all the capability of Ninja.

Besides, Ninja can attack cities as long as you are already at war with the rival. Actually it's very powerful in Shogun and any "king unit" type of games: now you can just select the king unit and attack it, no matter how many more soldiers are protecting it.

So if the army indeed has stealth, I'll say it is really useful! You have such an army and you can eliminate all the rivals easily.

 

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