Stop passing the buck to Firaxis

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by evrett37, Oct 10, 2010.

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  1. evrett37

    evrett37 Prince

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    The buck for the dodgy condition of Civ 5 on release must stop here (first). I dug up this list of the individuals responsible for or involve with the Civ 5 testing from this thread

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9614579#post9614579

    Spoiler :
    byss
    ainwood
    AlazkanAssassin
    arcan
    bernie14
    Bob Thomas
    bobT
    C.Roland
    ChrisWithers
    claudelu
    colonelmustard
    dacole
    Dale
    DanQ
    danthrax
    Dominae
    ekmek
    freakmon
    GeneralMatt
    Gogf
    Grey Fox
    Gyathaar
    Hugin
    Impaler[WrG]
    jdog5000
    jmoskie
    jobe
    Kael
    karadoc
    KillerClowns
    Locutus
    loki1232
    Lord_Phan
    magnus333
    Meredith
    Ming
    monoha
    Nikis-Knight
    Nikolai
    Nolan
    notyoueither
    OgreBG
    Opera
    Peachrocks
    Pfeffersack
    Primax
    rah
    robin-uiowa
    Scott-DTA
    seZereth
    SirPartyMan
    snafusmith
    snoopy369
    Solver
    TheMeInTeam
    totallycres
    Valkrionn
    Velociryx
    vondrack
    WarningU2
    Wilboman
    xienwolf
    yin26
    Ztaesek


    Next time you feel like posting a complaint about civ 5 - be sure to pm it to the people on this list. What the hell were they doing? Why didnt they warn us? Who put DLC sales or other personal kickbacks ahead of the game ? and what are we going to do about it? Will magic flowers, rainbows and the warmth of friendship make Civ 5 better or should there be some social consequences and real meaningful change in the cast and culture?

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  2. cr0ws

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    Unless you provide their original names, their phone numbers, credit card numbers and addresses, nothing can be done to restore honor.
     
  3. Bibor

    Bibor Doomsday Machine

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    I also never asked to read your post but hey - I DID! AND I WANT MY MONEY BACK!
     
  4. Davor

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    Maybe they counldn't warn us because the signed NDA per chance? Non Disclouser Agreements. Even if they wanted to tell us, legally they couldn't so NO, we can't blame them.

    Unless for every name you have mentioned, know what there stance was on the beta, or what they have said, then no, we can't blame them, the blame goes to Firaxis and 2K.
     
  5. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    I'm sorry but I don't agree. Just my opinion though.

    I think that the beta testers worked very hard to get the game in a playable state. Even though there are still numerous bugs and balance problems, I think they probably did a commendable job considering the game was obviously rushed by 2K Games to cash in and fend off bankruptcy.

    My theory is that a lot of the beta testers probably raised real concerns about how the game was dull, uninspiring and that the AI was awful. 2K Games wouldn't dream of pushing the release date back and Firaxis probably was scared to death by the prospect of an angry mob complaining about the delayed release. JS probably due to his inexperience probably didn't want to listen to ideas that were contrary to his vision.

    ciV is an immensely flawed product but for that I put the blame on the designer and 2K Games. I honestly don't think you can blame the beta testers for this fiasco.

    Now watch how the self righteous apologists will come in and scream how "The haters are all like this and are dividing the community!" etc, etc.
     
  6. Alyosha

    Alyosha Chieftain

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    Indeed. And make sure you include that security number on the back of the card too. Then their honor shall be restored.
     
  7. Silvis

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    I would agree that there are some issues with Civilization 5, but I doubt bashing them would do any good. No doubt they have read the forum and are working on fixes for the games issues. Yes, I would have waited a bit longer if I had known there were issues like this. Yes, I think they should have tested the game a bit more. I just think that we would be beating a dead horse to keep after them. They HAVE to be aware by now.
     
  8. CyberTyrant

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    Agreed.

    Not to mention these guys probably only got to test the game for one day. :lol:
     
  9. Afforess

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    I've beta tested a different game, Cities XL, which also had serious design issues. We raised these issues in the beta tester forum, but we were largely ignored by the designers. The design studio had this notion that the point of beta testing was to catch serious bugs, like memory leaks and CTD's, but not change core gameplay, and that we beta testers should be in awe and honored we were even chosen. I suspect this is the case here.

    So I wouldn't blame the testers. I'd very surprised if they weren't aware of many of the issues in advance.
     
  10. dannythefool

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    As someone who was in the STO beta, I'm pretty sure the testers did their best...
     
  11. keshik22

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    I agree, it's not really fair to blame the testers, all they can do is report what they find to the developers, it's then up to the devs to do something about their findings, or not as the case may be
     
  12. Davor

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    I have herd of this before. I herd of beta testers for Games Worshop products when concersn were addressed, GW said they didn't know what they were talking about and these were people who were in the hobby for over 10 years supporting them.

    It seems alot of devolpers, (not all but alot) do not listen to the beta testers,(be it video or board games) do not listen espically if it goes agaisnt their "vision".
     
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    How can you blame a beta tester for a product?

    There are usually 10 or more suggestions from each tester... its up for the company to chose what they want implemented?

    In other ways, DESPITE so many testers the game "kinda lacks" to say the least.

    I AM passing the buck to Firaxis.
     
  14. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    I agree. I am sure a lot of the beta testers must feel awful. They did their best but were powerless to effect change. I am sure most of them are not at all happy with ciV and find it quite dull and lifeless like so many of us do.

    Worst of all, they can't come on here and defend themselves due to their NDA.
     
  15. Jerrymander

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    Even if the OP is objectively correct (I am not saying he is), he is disagreeing with the majority, so he'll become the local effigy for Firaxis. And, subsequently, burned.

    It would be better for those that disagree with the majority to wait until the torches of riot are put out.
     
  16. Silvis

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    Agreed
     
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    I've heard similar stories about beta tests too. Kind of sad really because majority of testers probably are fans anyway so to some degree companies should listen to them more.

    I was once (actually done it for two games - the other one seemed genuine beta test) a beta tester for a collectible card game expansion and that worked poorly as well. Many mechanics, rules changes and thematic emphasis seemed to be completely beyond critic. If I remember correctly some aspects were considered poor by vast majority of testers but the lead designer had made up his mind on those before the test began and I think he even gave a collective reply on the test forums that certain things weren't to be criticized because they were in anyways. Still makes me mad :mad:
     
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    i hear the statement that 2k games pushed the release date to fend off bankruptcy a lot... but... if they didn't release it and went bankrupt then we would not even have a game... isn't a flawed game better than no game? at least modders and patches can fix it, well most of it
     
  19. CyberTyrant

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    No. Absolutely not.
     
  20. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    Well, perhaps they wouldn't have went bankrupt but perhaps they'd have to answer to shareholders and corporate big wigs. Perhaps a bad choice of words on my part.

    I'm not sure when 2K Games' corporate year end is but it probably has a lot to do with it. Make everything look rosy.
     
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