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Strange Stability maps

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Rhye's and Fall of Civilization' started by Dennis Laursen, Dec 25, 2010.

  1. 2phunkey4u

    2phunkey4u West-Eastern Divan

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    If you build a city on the Buenos Aires spot, that city is named after a football club found by Italian immigrants.
     
  2. awesome

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    And apparently the reason why Rio de Janeiro is called "America" when founded by Rome is because that's where Amerigo Vespucci sailed.
     
  3. Bamboozle

    Bamboozle Professional Bowel Mover

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    Question: why isn't France in Britain's stability map? You know, what with the Hundred Years' War and all that.
     
  4. Lord_Herobrine

    Lord_Herobrine Procrastinating

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    The American's are green between Taiwan and Japan because of Okinawa. The US would have used Okinawa as a launch point of a mass amphibious invasion of Japan if it came down to it. Luckily, the A-bombs were dropped and the invasion never took place.

    The Russians would be green in Cuba obviously because of the Cuban Missle Crisis. Russia brought ICBM's into Cuba and was planning on using that base as a way to reach deeper into the US within minutes of launch. Because of Pres. Kennedy's diplomatic skills and the Navy Blockade of Cuba, the Russians pulled out from Cuba. It might also have something to do with both countries being Communist at one point.
     
  5. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    Yes, except the reason is wrong.
    America continues to maintain military bases in Okinawa today;
    which is what the light green represents, as part of a continuing American occupation since about 1951.

    With regards to the previous poster's query about England & France and the Hundred Years War,
    England would only be given stability there if they had occupied France with any semblance of stability.
    They did not with the exception of Calais, and temporary, unstable military gains are rightly not represented as light green/yellow in RFC; with some exclusions of course.
    (Japan, Germany & America being the most glaring offenders of this general rule)
     
  6. Daedwartin

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    I just realized why Germany has stability in Italy: The Holy Roman Empire had about half of northern Italy or so as members. Germany in normal RFC is The HRE.
     
  7. Lone Wolf

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    Aquitaine was a domain of English kings from the time of Henry II.
     
  8. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    You actually have a point. I suppose the exclusion of Aquitaine for England ranks among some of the other shafts in this mod then.
     
  9. calad

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    I guess nobody cant say that original stability maps do not apper to be arbitraty. Especially difference between foreign core and foreign area. Like for Germany why Scandinavia is partly freign core and partly contested area?
     
  10. Daedwartin

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    Norway was actually conquered by a stupid guy with a square mustache. Sweden was neutral and leaning pro-nazi, mostly because of Norway being conquered and Finland being axis, meaning it was a good idea if they didn't want invaded to be pro-nazi.
     
  11. Lord_Herobrine

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    It could also be partly because Italy was an Axis member like Germany. Although, Italy later switched to the Allies (Make up your mind!), and I dont think Germany ever invaded Italy. It might also represent a part of Austria.

    EDIT: @ Tomorrow's Dawn: If you use that logic, than you could say that America should have at least yellow stability in most countries around the world. America has and still maintains a vast majority of troops in both Japan, Pacific islands, Europe, and various other parts of the word. Ironically, we still have maintained this presence because we are not sure if those countries are strong enough to keep themselves stable. Take Japan for example: Since WWII, they have declared themselves a pacifist country. Because of this, they do not have a large military of their own. We fear that since Japan and China have struggles over pacific islands to this day, that China may invade Japan if we were to ever abandon that country. Our alliance with Taiwan may also be the biggest reason why China has not just conquered this rebelious island back. China wouldn't want to be at war with the US unless they themselves had an equally powerful army.
     
  12. NKN

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    Actually Germany did invade Italy in '44
     
  13. Lord_Herobrine

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    Really? I need to brush up on my Italy history. This coming from a History buff :D
     
  14. Tomorrow's Dawn

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    Depends on the length of the occupation, but yes, that is exactly what I'm implying.
     
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  16. Daedwartin

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    Sorry about that. But that was one of the main reasons for Sweden having been supportive of hitler in terms of which side they gave supplies to. They gave supplies to Germany, but they did also smuggle a large amount of Jewish out of nazi-occupied Europe, and as soon as norway was retaken, Sweden flipped sides real quick.
     
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    Normandy too - was held from 1066 till 1204 and then changed hands a lot of times during the HYW. That should definitely be a contested area for England - it wasn't really until the 1430s that the Norman people started thinking of themselves as being French.

    It wasn't really an invasion, more the creation of a puppet state. The Italian King arrested Mussolini and surrendered to the Allies pretty much as soon as troops landed on mainland Italy. The Germans simply freed Mussolini, disarmed the Italians, took control of the major military and civilian infrastructure, founded the "Italian Social Republic" and carried on defending Italy without the majority of the Italian Army.
     
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    1430s! Try 1800s. No one in France outside of the area immediately around Paris considered themselves "French" until Napoleon forced them all to speak French and not the local languages that thrived until then. Particularly true in the Occitan-speaking areas in southern France, but Norman French in 1780 was incomprehensible to a Parisian, let alone to an Occitan speaker from Toulouse or Marseille.
     
  19. skyclad

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    True, nationalism just like in the game comes quite late in the grand scheme of things ;)
     
  20. awesome

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    There are a lot of Italians in Argentina, so that might explain that spot, although I can't seem to find any colonies there.
     

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