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Strategy Question: Balancing exploration and espionage

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by mjs0, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. mjs0

    mjs0 The 4th X

    Nov 9, 2001
    Central Florida
    I have always in the past tended to explore as much of the map as possible as early as possible.

    I have always felt there are many benefits to this approach...
    - Know your enemies
    - More opportunities to trade (esp. techs)
    - +1 naval movement.
    - etc.
    with very few negatives.

    Now in BTS there is a new variable, espionage. If I have early contact with all the other civs but they average contact with only half the civs in the game then my espionage points get spread very thinly and they all end up with a significant early advantage in that department.

    Imagine being the first (and for some time, the only) civ to discover an isolated island based civ. They get to target you with all their EPs and you have all the other civs to worry about.

    What do people think...is a policy of exploration still a good idea or should I play more insular and only explore my immediate environs?
  2. Thyrwyn

    Thyrwyn Guardian at the Gate

    Jan 5, 2004
    State College, PA
    That is an excellent observation, and one I hadn't considered. I'll have to play a few times to see how diligent the AI is abou investing in the new espionage slider. . . .
  3. Dom Pedro II

    Dom Pedro II Modder For Life

    Apr 3, 2002
    Exit 16, New Jersey
    I would also imagine that the AI targets the best player more and the human player specifically (if not, they should) which means you'll be likely to be getting the brunt of the spying by others, so you won't want to get all that negative attention before you have the resources to counter it.
  4. robcheng

    robcheng Sleep-deprived Addict

    Sep 27, 2003
    Pacal's Doghouse
    You have to wonder if that isolated civ is going to bother sailing ships full of spies your way though...if not, who cares if an AI civ can see your cities and what you are researching through passive espionage?
  5. icantdrawanime

    icantdrawanime Chieftain

    Jun 20, 2007
    cant hide in a hole forever...
  6. ChunkyLover53

    ChunkyLover53 Chieftain

    Jul 15, 2007
    And i presume that if you are the first to meet that AI they will be either

    a) somewhat behind in tech because they can't trade
    b) MAYBE lacking in espionage points simply because they aren't as necessary to a civ who hasn't encountered anyone else.

    Yes, i think it could be an issue if you are the first, but i would imagine that its not going to kill you. Usually when i'm the first to run into a civ i try to befriend it before it can be corrupted by any of my enemies...so at least when i play, these isolated countries wont be too big a threat

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