Studying management - someone, anyone, please, HELP!

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Right now, I'm doing my second year in engineering in computer science.

This may sound absurd, but the least technical subject is causing me the greatest stress as the examinations approach.

In technical subjects, I'm perfectly at home, because I know that if I get it right, that's it, end of story.

But this ridiculous requirement of "Financial and Industrial Management" is driving me insane. The six units are equivalent to six separate subjects in themselves. It's as if a sadist decided to see how many different parts of an average MBA undergrad first year syllabus could be crammed into six units, and then added in a few twists and turns, just for fun.

Here's the syllabus:

1) Introduction to Management (Historic overview)
2) Economic and Legal (A crash course in basic economics and copyright, patent, trademark, and contract law as it is in India)
3) Business Organisation
4) Human Resources Management
5) Financial Management
6) Financial Analysis

Now you can't even find a book that covers all this, because the stuff covered is so completely disparate.

I have no clue how detailed the questions are going to be, and what level of analysis is expected of us.

The first unit is complete fluff - I get the whole thing off the Wiki.

For the second unit, I've gone through through Sowell's "Basic Economics" and "Applied Economics". For the legal part, I've forced myself to read "Intellectual Property Law", which, though quite readable by the standards of legal literature, is still not a very easy read.

For units five and six, I'm currently reading (and enjoying - it's really good) "Financial Management: Theory and Practice", by Brigham and Ehrhardt, along with a book on analysis by Ambrish Gupta.

It's units three and four that really stump me. I can't find anything even as a guideline. If anyone here could tell me anything which will give me an idea of what these two subjects are about, and which explains their fundamentals in a lucid way, it would save my life.







And this is also a more general rant - why the hell does an engineering course require me to study all this stuff anyway? What grave sin have engineers (and everyone else in the rigorous subjects) committed that they have to be made into "complete" human beings by being forced to sit through this stuff, whereas nobody ever calls a completely worthless "queer/women's/<insert group here>-studies" (or equivalent) humanities/arts student "incomplete" because he couldn't grasp the basics of Newtonian mechanics or the fundamentals of differential calculus even to save his life? I'm far more "complete" than that worthless wastrel, but I still have to sit through this farce. I'd like to see him go through the graphics course from our first year.
 
And this is also a more general rant - why the hell does an engineering course require me to study all this stuff anyway?
It makes you more employable outside the narrow field of your main subject. Not only are you an engineer, you are a businessman.
 
^yup.

So you have to take one class outside of your field, and you're whining? At Ohio State, Political Science (or other students in the social science school), may have to take as many as 15!

Is there not a syllabus? Do you not physically go into class, or are you just going to take an examination on the subject at the end of the term, and are left to find your own books?
 
^yup.

So you have to take one class outside of your field, and you're whining? At Ohio State, Political Science (or other students in the social science school), may have to take as many as 15!

How many of those are form the hard (and I mean HARD, as in properly RIGOROUS) sciences?

I'm guessing approximately zero? ;)

But please, forgive me my rant for a moment. I come here seeking your help.

Is there not a syllabus? Do you not physically go into class, or are you just going to take an examination on the subject at the end of the term, and are left to find your own books?

Yes, there is a proper syllabus, and yes, I physically attend classes, and everything, but I'm not comfortable with a subject until I've really understood it, from the ground up, from the very basic fundamentals. And it's not possible to do that by simply attending classes. The professor can only guide you when the course material is so vast, she cannot really teach everything. You have to learn on your own.
 
Isn't there a book assigned for you to read for this course? It should contain everything you need to know.

There isn't.

In fact, there can't be. The topics are just too distinct, disparate.

There is a list of nine references, though. Each one dealing with a separate subtopic. But not any on BO or HR.
 
There isn't.

In fact, there can't be. The topics are just too distinct, disparate.

There is a list of nine references, though. Each one dealing with a separate subtopic. But not any on BO or HR.

Have you looked through those?
 
And this is also a more general rant - why the hell does an engineering course require me to study all this stuff anyway? What grave sin have engineers (and everyone else in the rigorous subjects) committed that they have to be made into "complete" human beings by being forced to sit through this stuff ...

First, this isn't a art/humanities arts course; it a business course. I am guessing because knowing good grounding in business and legal practice will help you in you career as a computer engineer. (Supposedly - I have to agree that this course seems to short of the infomation covered - it broken into several smaller courses).

... whereas nobody ever calls a completely worthless "queer/women's/<insert group here>-studies" (or equivalent) humanities/arts student "incomplete" because he couldn't grasp the basics of Newtonian mechanics or the fundamentals of differential calculus even to save his life? I'm far more "complete" than that worthless wastrel, but I still have to sit through this farce. I'd like to see him go through the graphics course from our first year.

... There is some truth in that. My university has a "Arts and Social Sciences" breath requirement for all B.Sc.s; there is no "Science" breath requirement for B.A.s. But it's not as bad as you make out to be.
 
How many of those are form the hard (and I mean HARD, as in properly RIGOROUS) sciences?

I'm guessing approximately zero? ;)

But please, forgive me my rant for a moment. I come here seeking your help.

You would guess wrong. I have to take 4. I've already taken a laboratory Biology class, a Brain Chemistry class, a Physical Anthropology class, and am deciding what my 4th will be (either an astronomy, or a geology).


Yes, there is a proper syllabus, and yes, I physically attend classes, and everything, but I'm not comfortable with a subject until I've really understood it, from the ground up, from the very basic fundamentals. And it's not possible to do that by simply attending classes. The professor can only guide you when the course material is so vast, she cannot really teach everything. You have to learn on your own.

Well, you're unlikely to master the principles of human resource management by reading a few books...thats why there are degrees in HRM..and from the sound of it, thats not the purpose of this course. It would appear that the purpose of this to only give each pupil the basic fundamentals (just like I'm not supposed to master Biology). If you plan on moving up to management, you'll likely have to take more coursework, or will have enough personal experience to understand the concepts better.

I can't recommend specific literature on the two you're looking for. I do have some good books on the basics of intellectual property law, but I don't think they will help you a lot, since
a) they're centered around the music industry
b) they've very US-centric.
 
You would guess wrong. I have to take 4. I've already taken a laboratory Biology class, a Brain Chemistry class, a Physical Anthropology class, and am deciding what my 4th will be (either an astronomy, or a geology).

Then both you, and the university allowing you these options, totally rock.

Kudos. :goodjob:

Well, you're unlikely to master the principles of human resource management by reading a few books...thats why there are degrees in HRM..and from the sound of it, thats not the purpose of this course. It would appear that the purpose of this to only give each pupil the basic fundamentals (just like I'm not supposed to master Biology). If you plan on moving up to management, you'll likely have to take more coursework, or will have enough personal experience to understand the concepts better.

That's OK, but I at least want to master the fundamentals.

I can't recommend specific literature on the two you're looking for. I do have some good books on the basics of intellectual property law, but I don't think they will help you a lot, since
a) they're centered around the music industry
b) they've very US-centric.

Thanks for the offer, but I've got that bit covered pretty well. P. Narayanan's book is really good for this, though a bit dense. And it is about Indian law, so no problems there.
 
3) Business Organization
A) centralized
a) home office with executives, power centralized
b) focus on local business, customers centralized
B) Decentralized
a) executives spread across offices/outlets, power decentralized
b) outsourcing, employees decentralized
c) multinational/national, customers decentralized

4) Human resource management
a) Hiring the right people
b) benefits



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Just so you know, aneeshm, courses like this typically have very easy exams, since they are, as you correctly identify, not core to Engineering. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but then again I hate reading and you seem to like it.

Do Indian universities not have electives?

We were only allowed to pick one non-Physics related subject in my uni (in the UK). It is my understanding that it is a peculiarity of American universities to allow such a wide range of subjects count as part of a specific undergraduate degree.
 
We were only allowed to pick one non-Physics related subject in my uni (in the UK). It is my understanding that it is a peculiarity of American universities to allow such a wide range of subjects count as part of a specific undergraduate degree.

Huh. I actually wish it was that way...I wouldn't be taking biology or math if I didn't HAVE to. Why spend thousands of dollars for classes that I know I'm not good at, that lower my GPA (and thus lower my chances of going to the law school I want?)

But I threadjack. My bad.
 
Regarding interdisiplinary studies:

Environmental Science (almost every major university has at least a masters and a PhD under various psuedonyms [interdisiplinary X, industrial ecology, etc]):

Choose 3:

Biology/Ecology
Chemistry
Marine Science
Forestry
Geology
Geography/Sociology
Physics/Engineering
Law

* Italics = my choices.

Interdisiplinary scholars are the future leaders. Where various disiplines meet and policy must be established, we need 1) people specialized to provide solid evidence in their field and 2) people who understand and respect those disiplines and can make educated guesses on how they might be integrated into a holistic policy.
 
everyone that goes to my school has to take at least 14 classes that have absolutely nothing to do with their major in what they call "core requirements"

that comes to about 3 semesters of my life that I'll never get back :cry:
 
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