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[BTS] Subjective :- Best Leader / Civ combination (player plays)

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by crashmon, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. crashmon

    crashmon Warlord

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    Hi Folks

    I know that this is subjective, but in BTS, you have an option for unrestrictive leaders... Which means if you wish you could be Stalin of the Americans :eek: or Churchill of Germany :eek:...

    So thinking about this would HC / Inca still be the best combination (hard to beat I think), or is there a better leader which could go with Inca...

    Same for worst, which would be the hardest combo to play.

    I know its very subjective, but I am curious what combinations people feel would be weird as well
     
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  2. PPQ_Purple

    PPQ_Purple Techpriest Engineer

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    Any leader with spiritual + any civ. Being able to switch civics on demand is just priceless for me.
     
  3. sampsa

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    This
     
  4. Fish Man

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    Really, not Elizabeth of Incas? Isn't philosophical agreed to be rated well above industrious?
     
  5. civac

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    All of this depends on circumstances (except for Financial). In MP you rather want an early game trait with FIN, so Pacal, Victoria or even Willem. Pacal and Willem were even banned in some BTS pitbosses back in the day.

    Do you really need PHI in SP if you are FIN? You can make a few GPs without PHI and you really don't need many or want to run many specialists.
     
  6. crashmon

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    What about the worst potential combo for instance on a Pangea map Portugal has useless UU and UB, and paired with say Toku for instance might be a challenge.

    Now on Islands, Portugal is very strong
     
  7. sampsa

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    Hmm, no idea what I was thinking even. Of course we ditch weak IND.

    I don't think this is true really. UB is rather weak (it's still a customs house) and while UU let's you expand faster, those cities are without trade routes until astro, which is not far from optics anyway. I think EXP/IMP is a decent tandem though.
     
  8. krikav

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    I'm no big fan of unrestricted leaders myself, but whenever I approach the subject I try to figure out new possible synnergies, and along those lines I think that perhaps pericles of india would be pretty good.

    Combine the really early math-bulb (fast library+fast GSci) with the fast workers chopping and you could pull of some really interesting HA-rushes.
     
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  9. crashmon

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    So that would be India + ?
     
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    India + Pericles (the Greek leader with Cre/Phi).
     
  11. crashmon

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    Another fun combination: Take Praetorians, which are already tremendously powerful, and lead them with AGG/CHA Boudica of Rome :hammer:
     
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    That reminds me of something else. WHY is Julius Caesar not agg/org??? C1 praets with super cheap barracks would be AMAZING, but no, the game denies us this bit of fun. And OK, I know Hammurabi is agg/org, but this ties neatly into another issue, which is that Hammurabi, a high-peaceweight wonderspamming AI who doesn't declare at pleased or much at all, has no business being aggressive. He could be prot/org instead, to synergize with the way he usually just turtles with his bowmen and gardens.

    I'm tempted to mod the game just to add these two things because they fit so nicely with each other and make so much sense, but for some reason the devs missed out on that.

    Also, numidian cavalry should be 6 strength, and so should jaguars - change my mind.
     
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  14. sampsa

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    For what purpose? ;)
     
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    If you're asking why you should try to change my mind...it's a meme ;).

    If you're asking why they should be stronger...so they can be actually fun to use, and not trash. Making numcavs 6 strength will actually make them useable, and they won't be OP, especially considering their Renaissance equivalent, conquistadors, suffer no such penalty and also get sweet defensive bonuses while replacing the best rush unit in the game. And jaguars are kinda just...pathetic...especially when swords in general are mostly useless. Making them an axe replacement, with +50% against melee and 5 strength but resourceless and starting with woody 1, could also work.
     
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    Once I finish my current shadow game, I might do a sort of alternate universe game, mixing up historical leaders as if history had gone a little differently...

    For instance
    • Sitting Bull of America
    • HC of Portugal (the incan's defeated the colonization attempted by cortez)
    • Napolean of the English
    • Hannibal of Rome
    • Justinian of Arabia
    • Tokoguwa of China
    • Darius of Greece
    Wonder if there are any other combinations which might of occured if History was just tweaked a little
     
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    Could also do Bismarck/Frederick of the French, if Germany won any of the two world wars it started. Or Mao of Khmer, if China hadn't backed the Khmer Rouge and instead went in to occupy along with Vietnam.
     
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    Numidian Cavalry with 6 strength get odds against spears on flatland. That would be absurd.
     
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    Yeah, I think numidians are alright.
    They are abit worse against archers than normal HAs, but they are much better against melee.
    And the free promotion they get add some punch to HA->Cuir upgrades.

    The Jaguar is abit annoying in most games, but in heavily jungled/forested areas they are really nice. having a bunch of woody3 jaguars that obliterate all opposition in forests are sweet.
    They are very situational though, sort of like the gallic warrior guerilla shenanigans only that they are worse (cities can't be built in forests).
    But they are abit cheaper too... But that can be annoying when you want to whip after forges (or in police state).

    Don't agree that swords are mostly useless either. :)
     
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    Yeah, I was just half-jokingly implying that "change my mind" doesn't make much sense. It's your mind, you change it if you want to!
     

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