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Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by Leoreth, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. Manco Capac

    Manco Capac Friday,13 June,I Collapse

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  2. Royal Tenenbaum

    Royal Tenenbaum Exiled

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    Right! Ivan the Terrible. Forgot about that.
     
  3. therox

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    Once, I was playing as the HRE and was at war with France , they only had Paris, Aix-la-Chapelle and Bordeaux , I took Aix, Paris and Bordeaux was with only 1 defender with very low health and their response to capitulation was ''We are doing fine on our own'', what happened ?
     
  4. Manco Capac

    Manco Capac Friday,13 June,I Collapse

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    As I said multiple times here and there in DoC forums: ''We are doing fine on our own!'' is the denial that comes when the AI is stronger than 2/3*AveragePower. It was an implemented system to make the AI resists a little against capitulation when they feel they got quite powerful military compared to the average.

    How to get the exact value of the average? Simple. Look into the demographics and search for average power. It needs several tweaks. Just to say you can get an exact reference when he'll go lower than 2/3*AveragePower but it demands effort.

    In practice, kill more and more units. Avoid cities or you're going to kill him in stability.
    And this is supposed to be in the thread I opened for tips and explanation of game mechanics. Not suggestion for DoC.
     
  5. Royal Tenenbaum

    Royal Tenenbaum Exiled

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    EDIT: I suggest heavy swordsman require iron. Currently they require copper OR iron, even though normal swordsmen need iron and don't use copper.
    I suggest crossbowmen take copper or iron.


    Chinese crossbows used copper.
     
  6. KeeperOT7Keys

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    I never see the persian ub in any game, guilds tech is far away from classic age I think we need a new ub; a courthouse available with monarchy , (at start) ''Satrap's manor?''
    additional idea, reduces maintanence -%25 instead of -%50, but free if conquered (only for new conquered cities) city has more than 5 population
    persia hasn't too crowded cities, and guilds is a medieval tech, so apothecary is the most useless ub of game imo
     
  7. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    Apothecary is a Market replacement and requires Currency.
     
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    oops.I didn't notice that, may be I should research currency before conquering required lands :crazyeye: but still a courthouse replacement wouldn't be bad :p
     
  9. The Diocletian

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    The Apothecary still gives +2 :health: in addition to the Market effects, right? Or has it been edited?
     
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    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    No, the effects are still the same.
     
  11. The Diocletian

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    I'd really like it to be changed, then. The only places where Persia has health problems is Babylon and Egypt, not very helpful to them. I don't have an actual suggestion on what to change it to because I know precious little about Persia, but the Apothecary is not a building that helps them, nor does it have any synergy with their UP or UU.

    Food for thought.
     
  12. Royal Tenenbaum

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    In Roma Surrectum II (Rome Total War mod), the Persian's UB was basically buildings for satrapies that increased happiness but cost a little more money.
    You could also tie in Zoroastrianism into their UB, as you are looking to redo religion.
    Their UB could convert foreign culture faster.
     
  13. The Diocletian

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    That's a good idea, but what if we combine that suggestion with the above one:

    Satrap's Manor


    Reqs: Monarchy

    -40% Maintenance
    -Free on Conquest
    -Converts foreign culture faster


    Yay, or nay? It has synergy with the UU and UP, which encourage conquest, and helps Persia with culture instability that will come with those conquests.
     
  14. Royal Tenenbaum

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    What is it replacing? It has to replace a building. They always have. I mean, they don't have to. But nobody has ever thought outside the box of that before.
    I think converting foreign culture is the most important aspect. And the most unique.
     
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    I meant for it to replace a courthouse.
     
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    My 2nd UB modcomp offers an Courthouse UB for Persia.
    Satrap Court, +2:)

    :mischief:
     
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    happiness not a problem too for human player, imo persia first civilization starts with monarchy and immortal cost is even cheaper than archer but if it is moved to the monarchy, that would be great
     
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    Seems fine to me.
     
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    Why was the Khmer ever changed to be Buddhist again? I always changed them to Hinduism since they were dominantly Hindu. Looking back at the first page, someone brought up the same point. They build a wonder that is Hindu, they're replaced by Buddhists.
     
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    They weren't.
     

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